unacoustically treated rooms

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so far i hear that the mackie hr824's are the way to go, are the 624's the exact speaker but designed for a smaller enviornment?

now for an acoustically treated room i hear the mackies and tannoys praised, but for non acoustically treated rooms i hear the jbl's and i think they are spelled ysp's or sp's, bieng praised.

is it that speakers with imperfections actually are perfect when introduced to an imperfect enviornment?

i reall want to know if the mackies are suitable for any enviornment? i'm about to venure into the world of mixing in one of my spare rooms. it's government housing so i can only do temporary adjustments to treat it. any ideas to deaden the noise so the rest of the house or the nieghbors can't hear it would be nice. i have done a search on this but am open for new ideas.

since i haven't mixed on monitors yet, i'm not familiar with the volume level you would mix at. but i'm almost certaine that with a newborn in the house, and duplex house would call on a lot of sound deadening techniques.

i know i'm asking for a lot of advice. i can't help it. all of this knowledge floating around this forum mackes me feel like a kid in a candy store. and believe me i'm very humble and appreciative for all the help i recieve through this forum.

thanx for the help on any or all of the questions that anyone can offer.
 
A few books by F. Alton Everest, 'Sound studio construction on a budget' and 'Small budget recording studion' (he has others also).
Either or both will get you straight to the information you need.
I believe they fall into the 'standard, must have' catagory in this subject. Lots of straight forward easy to understand info on what to do, why, and how to save lots of money do it yourself style.
Wayne
 
okay

thanx for the info, i will try and check those out
 
Jugalo, I just posted an answer on one of your other threads, but hadn't seen this one yet so missed some points.

Unlike algebra, in acoustics two wrongs DON'T make a right, they just cover it up under certain circumstances. For your situation, I would recommend the 624's - they aren't as loud, they're more compact, they're very un-colored for as low as they go, and they cost less. If you could, adding a powered subwoofer would bring back the lower octaves the 624's don't have, but subs cause bad neighbors and wake babies up. Instead, you should mix on the Mackies (see my post in the other forum, forget where but it's above this one) and if you don't already have a set of headphones get one with good bottom and circum-aural, closed backs such as the Sennheiser 280, or maybe Sony 7506. Check your mix from time to time on the phones, but DON'T mix on them. They should be used for tracking and low bass ONLY. Checking for excessive low bass on the phones will save you from printing mixes that KILL other peoples speakers, without having to blast your family/neighbors to do it... Steve
 
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thanx knightfly, killer advice. i'm going to look into the headphones i have a pair from koss right now, they look cool but i bet they enhance the sound too much. are you telling me to stay away from the 624 and sub hook up?
 
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jugalo180 said:
thanx knightfly, killer advice. i'm going to look into the headphones i have a pair from koss right now, they look cool but i bet they enhance the sound too much. are you telling me to stay away from the 624 and sub hook up?
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Far be it from me to ever dispute knightfly (forgive me, Gawdfadda!), but I would stay away from the Sony 7506's in any connection with mixing.

My preference would be to go with an open more accurate (flatter) design like the Sennheiser 580's. You'll still get all the low end listening you'll need (the bottom is killer on those phones!), without the hyped frequencies. And at the end of the day your head will feel a lot better.

I have Genelec 1031a's with a Genelec sub, and i STILL find it really pays to check my low end on the 580's.
 
Littledog, I can't seem to find Sennheiser 580's in my local store (haven't checked the net yet)... Anyone any comments on AKG phones ???

I'm plannig on buying the Mackie 824's (sounded great in store) but haven't got any acoustic treatment -yet-. Right now my 5$ Sony phones still do the trick, but planning to move on to something better.

thx,
Herwig
 
Check the Sennheiser website. The 580's may no longer be in production, but they may have been replaced with a similar model (like 600 maybe?).
 
Hey, LD, feel free to dispute anytime - but, if you'll notice from my post, "They should be used for tracking and low bass ONLY. " To me, that meant, DO NOT MIX ON PHONES, PERIOD. Also, I realize the 7506's are hyped on bass, which should help avoid getting too much low bass in recordings which are checked on them.

To summarize - don't mix on cans, period. If you're mixing in an environment where you can't make too much noise, stay away from subs (low bass travels even more than other audio) and use cans OCCASIONALLY to make sure you're not mixing +12 of 30 hZ into things without realizing it.

Jugalo, the 624's would probably be your best bet in your particular case. If you have the extra bux, a sub could be used when neighbors are at work/baby's away with mom, etc, and could be switched off otherwise. I've had good luck with Yamaha's YST-150 sub, they also make one smaller and one larger. All of them use a 24 dB/octave filter, which tightens up the crossover point and minimises "mud" where both sub and woofers are trying to reproduce the same freq's - Hafler 10" powered subs are also semi-reasonable, compared to Mackie's $1000 wonder.

Don't forget to buy that Radio Shack SPL Meter before you get ANYTHING else... Steve
 
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Hey, LD, feel free to dispute anytime - but, if you'll notice from my post, "They should be used for tracking and low bass ONLY. " To me, that meant, DO NOT MIX ON PHONES, PERIOD. Also, I realize the 7506's are hyped on bass, which should help avoid getting too much low bass in recordings which are checked on them.

To summarize - don't mix on cans, period. If you're mixing in an environment where you can't make too much noise, stay away from subs (low bass travels even more than other audio) and use cans OCCASIONALLY to make sure you're not mixing +12 of 30 hZ into things without realizing it.

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Hey Steve! Long time no chat! How's the left coast?

Hopefully you'll have a chance to try a 580 or its current equivalent someday for checking low end. You might never pick up your 7506 again (except for tracking of course!)

By the way, if you think the low end on the 7506 is hyped (I always thought the hype was more in the upper mids) you should try the 7509. BOOOOOOOOOM!:eek:
 
littledog, do you know the Mackie 824 monitors ?? How would they compare to the Genelec 1031?? (since you have the 1031s I would think these rock, but are they comparable ??)


Herwig
 
Hi Herwig:

I've never heard the Mackie's, so I can't comment. My only alternate monitors are NS-10m's. I noticed on another thread that "Light" said that in his opinion the 1031's were a slight step up from the Mackie's, but not enough to warrant the price difference. I can't say if it is true or not.

If I were buying now I might be tempted to see what Barefoot could do for me.
 
Hey, LD - The Left coast is starting to get wet again, I know we need it but doesn't mean I wouldn't build a roof over all 10 acres, sloped to the center into a cistern if I could afford it...

BTW, I don't own a set of 7506's - just listened to them a couple times and walked away. I use Fostex RP-20's mostly, with some various cheapies for neanderthal guests, so I don't fire a warning shot to the head when they stand on the cord and lean back in the chair and wonder "duh, where'd the sound go?" - I'm wanting to get to drool city soon and check out the new RP-50s, the Senny 280 and 600, and AT's new one, forget the # - I really need a set that has good isolation, the Fostex's arent that great for that - hence the Senny envy - If I keep adding to the incidental list, I'll end up dropping 10 grand the next time I make the mistake of drooling and driving... Steve
 
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