Tubedude request

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Tubedude,


Since you have had your RNP for longer than most. Could you please post a completed mix somewhere of a tune done with it? Ive heard one tune done by a piano player, singer/songwriter. The vocals were buried though and I couldnt tell how they really sounded. MP3s suck but its better than buying something 100% blind. I cant believe how hard it is to find songs recorded with the RNP. Ill host one for ya if you dont have space for it. Let me know.


Thanks
Justin
 
I've been trying to do this for a few weeks now, and I am bouncing between places recording right now while the new place is being built. I am recording bands at their respective places of practice over the next few weeks, but depending on how the rooms sound and stuff and if the bands will let me, I may or may not post songs. I may be able to do it privately though.
Its a great little preamp, really, but its still buggy. A common bug is the occasional blinking LED on channel B when nothing is plugged in. Someone on RAP said that Mark told him that it was an indication that it is turned on. BUT, one of mine does it, and the other doesnt. So SOMETHING is wrong with one of my RNPs, I guess. Regardless, they both sound way more open and clear than anything else in the price range.
 
Tubedude,

Thanks. That would be great. I wish someone would start a site simillar to "the listening sessions" but for complete mixes showcasing certain gear. As cheap as hard disk space is, the site could have 16 bit wave files instead of crappy MP3s. Listening to one short solo clip of a preamp helps but like you said its when you start stacking tracks that you find out what youve bought. Let me know if you get something completed. Since we're on this topic, heres my latest track. I used only my Drawmer 1960 for all tracks other than drums.




Thanks
Justin
 
tubedude my RNP does the same thing.

i turned the gain up and recorded with nothing plugged in to the inputs and nothing was there so even if it is a defect it is not a PROBLEM its a FEATURE. and by FEATURE i mean an undocumented FEATURE, and by undocumented feature i mean BUG.
 
That sounds really good, man, and its mp3 even... very impressed.. I'd like to hear the real thing.
What are your signal chains?
 
Tubedude,

Thanks for the response on the tune. I just use a Drawmer 1960 for all vox, bass and guitars running into a Delta 66 and Sonar. Drums were tracked with a Mackie VLZ pro. I use an AT4050 for micing a studio22 Boogie. For vocals Im using a C1. Im trying to sell my Drawmer on Ebay right now. I just feel Im missing something in the preamp area. Great compressor though.


Thanks again,
Justin
 
Hi Justin

Sorry for eavesdropping but I liked your track. The drum tracks are nice and punchy but the vocal sound in comparison to the backing is well... a bit lame. I don't mean your vocal performance which is great, it just could be a tiny bit gutsier. It's kind of a bit too 'nice' sounding to my ears. As far as the pre/comp thing goes, maybe a bit of that Neve/Urei kind of gritty in-your-face presence would work if you know what I mean? Of course we're talking dollars here!

BTW what's the delay your running on the vox? It's kind of nice but IMHO a bit too omnipresent throughout the song. Maybe you you could keep most of the vocals a bit drier and up front and ride the delay on certain lines and maybe in the chorus? Still just my 2 cents.

I take it the bass was DI'ed. Maybe micing up a bass cabinet as well would give it a little more warmth and air.

Still a great sounding track.

I just new around here myself

Cheers Pundit.

P.S. Vocally you remind me a little of David Palmer who sung on Steely Dan's first album 'Can't by a Thrill'. Checkout 'Dirty Work' off that album and see if you agree! Another not disimilar singer is Bernard Fanning from the Australian band Powderfinger.
Keep up the good work!
 
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Thanks man. I pretty much screwed that bass track up. I think I gutted too much low end. Live and learn :) The delay was Waves supertap. This genre is rather new to me because I do mostly acoustic music. I like Powderfinger a lot. Thanks for the compliment on my vocals.



Justin
 
wow musical5 that 1960 is my dream machine.

what don't you like about the pre-amps?
 
pundit said:
Vocally you remind me a little of David Palmer who sung on Steely Dan's first album 'Can't by a Thrill'. Checkout 'Dirty Work' off that album and see if you agree! Another not disimilar singer is Bernard Fanning from the Australian band Powderfinger.
Keep up the good work!
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Glen Frey (Eagles) all the way.

Damn, dude. That's one hell of a nice kick drum sound you got there. How'd you get it?
 
Crosstudio,


The 1960 pres arent as smooth as what Id like to be hearing. Also I feel they lack high end definition. I fix what I can with EQ. From what Ive read theyre not "up to snuff" with most pro preamps. The big thing about the unit is the compressors. Super smooth tube..very warm. Whats funny is I dont even use them but to keep things in check going into Sonar. Im going to buy a Great River MP1-NV, if and when my unit sells on Ebay. The 1969 from Mercenary is supposed to be a huge improvement to the preamps in the 1960. Im sure Ill end up regretting selling mine. Who knows.

Justin
 
Chessrock,


Thanks for the positive feedback. I worked that damn kick to death. In fact it could use a little bottom. Kick was a Bearing Edge custom, mic was a D112, running into a Mackie VLZ. In Sonar...Timeworks CompessorX 10db gain reduction, Waves REQ high pass at 59Hz steep Q, +5db gain at 5600Khz. I sent that to an Aux with an RCL 6db reduction, and than kick snare and toms went through timeworks mastering limiter to make them loud (screwed up my snare tone). Bet you wished you hadnt asked :)


Thanks again
Justin
 
musical5 said:
In fact it could use a little bottom.
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Not on my speakers. Sounds fine over here. Great, actually.

Kick was a Bearing Edge custom
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Do you know what kind of wood is used on it by chance?

+5db gain at 5600Khz.
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I'm usually fishing around 2.5 - 3 khz. I'm going to have to try it a bit higher. I like how you did yours.

kick snare and toms went through timeworks mastering limiter to make them loud (screwed up my snare tone).
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I used to use the timeworks a lot on drums, but if you ever look at the wave forms, it pretty much squashes everything and flattens it out. Even in soft limit mode. Not pretty. I'm a big fan of Waves' L2 these days. Gets things good and loud, but doesn't kill the peak of the wave. It's really a great plug.

You like to compress, I see. :D
 
Seems like I recall Fletcher saying that the Merc edition of the 1960 didnt really have a preamp improvement and that it wasnt the idea to improve that part.
Probably wrong, cant really rem.
I've gotten where I like the Timeworks limiter better than the Waves one, it seems to maintain a better sounding loud, if that makes sense at all. Just dont take it too far or it sounds like crap. I like it quite a bit.
Thats one squashed ass kick drum. I do the same thing.
 
musical-

I'm finishing a track this weekend (we're retracking the vocal) that was done with the RNP for every track. If the guy I'm recording doesn't care, I'll post it on Monday. It only has acoustic guitars, bass, vox and a shaker but I think it shows the sound of the RNP pretty well.
 
Ebeam,


That would be awesome! Im leaning more and more toward the Sytek at this point but Id like to hear exactly the instruments that youre tracking. Email me if you need space or when you get it up somewhere. 192kbps or better would be great.

musical5@uswest.net


Thanks,
Justin
 
I just recalled that I have heard a song somewhere on one of these forums that was tracked through the RNP.

musical5 has heard it but here it is:



Here's the skinny--

That was recorded entirely with a RNP and an RNC

Rode nt-2->RNP on vox
neumann km184-RNP on guitar
Roland piano-> RNP
Bass SWR Cab DI->RNP
Drums- 2 Neumann kms 105 overheads (RNP)...SM57 on snare (Mackie VLZ preamp) stereo 2 tracked

I think it's pretty impressive.

--Steve
www.piemusic.com
 
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Ozraves,

It is impressive. Id just like to hear a different style singer and song. I like to be well educated before I blow any money. Thanks for posting that link. I almost forgot about that recording.



Thanks,
Justin
 
musical5 said:
Ozraves,

It is impressive. Id just like to hear a different style singer and song. I like to be well educated before I blow any money. Thanks for posting that link. I almost forgot about that recording.



Thanks,
Justin
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Either of the units you are considering are not going to lose much value. I think it really comes down to how many channels you need.

--Steve
www.piemusic.com
 
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