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I have a little Peavey Classic 20 amp, which is a 15w tweed amp with 1 10inch speaker. It is an awsome little amp. I have had the thing since about '94 and it still has the original tubes and is rockin' away. Just gets home use. Here's the thing, I am gonna start gigging with it a little bit with the praise and worship band at church on weekends. The amp doesnt have a whole lot of headroom. It breaks up pretty easily. Now that has never been a problem with me before because it sounds cool, but... It has 2 12AX7's and 2 EL-84's which I think are Sovtek tubes. I want to retube it so that I can get more clean headroom out of it and smooth out the distortion a little bit. SUGGESTIONS??? Do I need to replace all the tubes or just some?? And what brand do you suggest?? HELP!!!

Blessings
Mike
 
The problem is that the stock tubes break up too quickly. I need it cleaner!!!
 
ALLRIGHT!!!

Now thats cool, that is just what I needed!!!
Thank you!!!
 
Groove tubes matches their tubes using their own system and you can order the "hardness" you prefer (a scale from 1-10 I think).
I'd retube the whole thing at this point.

So it breaks up with a "clean" setting, but you've got it cranked, though right? I love that sound.

Well if you're amp is mic'ed then you could just turn down the amp till it stops breaking up. . .but how fun is that?:D


Just mic that baby up and go man go!:D
 
maestro_dmc said:
So it breaks up with a "clean" setting, but you've got it cranked, though right? I love that sound.

Well, it is a little one channel amp. It doesnt have a lot of headroom so I dont have to drive it too hard before it begins to break up. I love the sound when I am playing some blues and rock and stuff, but I think I need it to stay a little cleaner at church.
 
I have read that I can replace the 12AX7s with 5751s and that should smooth it out some. Is that correct?? They have a lower gain stage than the 12AX7s.
 
maestro_dmc said:
Groove tubes matches their tubes using their own system and you can order the "hardness" you prefer (a scale from 1-10 I think).
I'd retube the whole thing at this point.

Yuppers! Id retube with Groove Tubes...I did and have never looked back. The Hardness system for GT is H1 through H10, ....I don't know how far that goes, but I got some H6 6550's Im loving ;)

SoMm
 
Last time I checked, all Groove Tubes are Sovtek tubes. Anyone to confirm this?
 
You could also try a 12AT7 in the driver stage to clean it up a bit a-la Fender.

Remember though that EL84's (6BQ5) are essentially an EL34 (6CA7) in a small bottle, and are not known for clean tones at high volume. They do have a very sweet clean tone, just not much output that way. That chore is better suited to 6L6's or 6550's.

Perhaps you should consider playing at a lower volume, and micing the amp through the PA.

Or get an amp that's better suited to the job at hand.;)
 
I have a similiar amp - a Peavey Bravo that has 3 preamp tubes, 2 EL 84's for the output, approx 20 watt output, but with a 12" speaker. I also use this at church, but it was too loud, and the high gain channel was too saturated. I used a 12 AT7 in the the second position and it cleaned that channel up quite a bit. If I were you, I would try just one 5721 in each position, two may cut it back too much. I also put in a speaker I had that happened to be less efficient. If you want a clean sound at a higher volume than what you are presently getting, you will need to change the speaker, or use an extension cab, with maybe a 12". Changing from one type of output tube to another may yield a little less distortion, or a tiny bit more headroom, but it will be very subtle if even noticeable at all. Any headroom gained by a more powerful tube may go to waste, however, if the output transformer is already reaching its saturation point. If a heftier output tube were capable of delivering an extra watt or 2, that would not be enough to be noticeable. You would have to DOUBLE the output power to gain 3 db (6 db is considered to be "twice as loud") and quadruple the output to gain 6db and be "twice as loud". Now speakers vary a LOT in their efficiency, typically 94 to 101 db/watt at 1 meter for 12", the one rated at 101 would be TWICE as loud as as the 94. This means that your 20 watter with a speaker rated at 100-101db would be as loud as an 80 watt amp with a speaker rated at 94 ( not accounting for speaker saturation...) Anyway, I don't know what the rating would be for the Emminence 10" in yer PV, probably in the middle somewhere, but a real efficient speaker like a Celestion Vintage 30 would yield a lot more sonic output, allowing you to leave the volume turned down into the cleaner range of the amp... EL 84's ROCK tho, don't they! Good luck my brother.
 
Oh, yeah - If you have a pedal like an eq with a level control, you can use that to cut the signal a little in front of the amp, that will clean it up a lot. I use a Danelectro graphic eq with the level set below the "neutral" setting to drop the signal when I use my humbucker-equipped guitar.
 
I've recently switched to Electro-Harmonix tubes, from Groove Tubes, and I can't say enough good things about the EH tubes. YMMV

Take care,
Tony
 
You guys are the greatest. I really appreciate all of the feedback. I will get back with yall and let you know the route I took and the results.
 
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