Triangular Miking

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I know this topic has been covered before but I would like some help in some areas I am not clear on and I am a newbie.

We have a four piece blues-rock band (drums, bass, guitar, harmonica & vocals). For the drums we have a PG52 for the kick drum and two SM57's for the overheads. It is a rather typical drum kit (bass drum, snare, 3 toms, high-hat, 3 crash, and a ride cymbal). We use a Korg D1600. Here are my questions.

1. For the overheads, I have seen the overheads spread a couple feet from the center of the set and then point slightly toward the center. I have also seen the two overheads placed together in the center and pointed away from each other. My intial attempt (spread techique) was ok, but the cymbals were not picked up as well as the toms and snare (could this be, in part a function of the mic; although it is unlikely we will be buying new mic's). I realize that I will have to experiment and that there are a lot of other variables that could affect the sound, but I am looking for a good starting point and rules of thumb.

2. If we add a fourth mic (PG56 for the snare), should I just leave the two overheads in the same position that worked in a 3-mic situation?

3. What is a typical panning setup. I figure the kick drum and the snare (in the case of the 4-mic setup) would be dead center. The two overheads I think should be panned left and right. Should it be panned 100% to the right (or left) or 75%, etc? Does the inclusion of a fourth mic on the snare impact the panning decision of the overheads?

4. Any eq suggestions?

Thank you.

Roy
 
You should probably get some small condesors for the overheads. Oktava mc012, they go for $99 a piece at Guitar Center. Or $60 used on eBay (? I think).
If you can only afford one, record a mono kit. I can't imagine the 57s as OH doing very well. But I've never tried it either.
Put one of the 57s on ther snare.
With 2 overheads in the middle pointing outward, is called ORTF. There is also XY. The 2 mics cross each other at the heads. I use ORTF myself in a 4mic setup and get a decent sounding kit. I think it's a good setup for a Blues Rock band. Pretty organic.

Your panning is correct.... try it 100% L/R and move em in and see what you like.

Good Luck,
B.

BTW- I really like the Oktava mc012 for overheads... but others also use MXL603, Rode NT5, Studio Projects B1 (it's LD), & there's a Behringer model... These are all Budget priced, if you have more money there is obviously more choices.
 
have you considered renting some mics? it's usually not too expensive for a weekend
 
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