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djhead
Military Intelligence
amethyst_fan said:
What does music have to do with the "morality" of people?
Furthermore, check out some of the amazing work Q-bert and the Bombshelter DJ's (out of Az) have done to really push the turntable as an instrument. There is sheet music for them!!!!
I once saw The BDJ's make a 30 Minute song out of sampling one guy scratching. Amazing.
slidey
New member
St. Germaine..........................they're cool
Enchilada
Strange person.
Rap and RnB are both very raggae influenced as well. DJ Kool Herc was jamacian and many rappers are either from Jamaica of of Jamaican descent eg. Busta Rhymes, Redman, Notorious B.I.G and Sean Paul.MISTERQCUE said:
Any Bob Marley fans hate rap? I find some rap and reggae/dub to be quite similar in ways. Listen to Half Pint, Tippa Irie or even Sublime who were VERY reggae influenced. Both Rap and Reggae usually have simple vocal melodies and are often semi spoken.
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Enchilada said:
True!!!!!
As a matter o' fact, Kool Herc works approx 5 blocks from where I work!
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amethyst_fan
New member
djhead said:
Well, you certainly do have a point there, but I tend to perceive that there's no other genre other than rap (and maybe death metal) that really do show some true moral insights into the people composing (or performing) the songs. Now perhaps MISTERQCUE has a valid point that what I'm really refering to is gangsta rap...that's probably the case (although I might actually lean towards thinking it spreads out in smaller increments to less hostile forms of the genre), but people actually listening to and enjoying or relating to the music have some kind of connection to the lyrical content. I argue this is even more true when dealing with rap where there is often no melody to catch one's liking to deceive the actual lyrics.
It would help to explain why although rock and pop and other musics based off the original classical form are widely popular in other countries, where as rap is not...particularly asia, it's almost non-existant. There is no personal connection people can establish to relate to this music. Even the little rap that is present in the east is almost always in their own language with lyrics that "rappers" here would probably fall to the floor laughing at, because it is more similar to rock/pop lyrics (dealing with love or humility, and rarely hatred,violence,drugs, or the ever so popular I'm bigger and badder than you.)
Well anyhow, enough of that...now let me introduce an idea that is sure to stir up some debate in relation to your last comment...
I can honestly say that making a 30 minute song out of the sample, as you referenced, is certainly admirable especially in today's standards, but I only could only hope that all pop/rock/metal/rap engineers or musicians could realize that in the not too distant past making a 30 minute song would be considered a grade school exercise to be completed in no time at all. All the music we "create" nowadays can all be catalogued, written out and explained through theory due to the fact that it's all been done before...it is actually not musically possible to make any new music idea, it has all been done before thanks to the likes of Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin etc...
The only difference is a new voice to the same old tune...haha, kind of funny really. That's why if any of you have ever had a classical teacher for guitar or piano or whatever else (and I mean a real classical teacher that only studies classical) they are usually unable to comprehend why anyone would enjoy popular music of any kind.
This is not to discourage people from making or engineering music in any way, as I still like almost all types of music myself as well, but just to point out how funny all music is in general that we're debating or arguing or discussing anyways.
never the less, rap would have to be on the bottom of the totem pole on my book, haha...sorry
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
amethyst_fan said:
I would go on about how wrong you are especially in the area where you state that rap has no strong foothold in places the Far East (www.vibe.com just to prove how wrong you are), but I'm thru discussing this form of music and of course, most of all, you are entitled to YOUR opinion!
Now if you wanna talk about all things Jazz, I can sit here and rap with you ALL DAY on this topic as that's my preferred choice of music!
killthepixelnow
Do it right or dont do it
Grindcore and death metal deal with lots of moral concepts and the wrong sides of mankid. I think in some rap songs occurs the same: you sing about how you live, about the sociopolitical environment, the difficulties to get a decent life and the racism.
Music is interesting because it's something social, but it's also something personal. At the end you have your own choices and your own "totem pole" of what the best music for you. Like any other genres, there are good rappers and awfull rappers. I also hate a lot of clone death metal bands that don't offer anything new to the scene.
Music is interesting because it's something social, but it's also something personal. At the end you have your own choices and your own "totem pole" of what the best music for you. Like any other genres, there are good rappers and awfull rappers. I also hate a lot of clone death metal bands that don't offer anything new to the scene.
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
killthepixel said:
There it all is in a nutshell!
djhead
Military Intelligence
Music is art. Art conveys and portrays but is never direcly linked to the human condition. It is only a perception of it. That being said how can anyone's creation of sonic input have anything to do with morality? Even if they found a way to make tangible things (sound) and intangible things (morals) collide, it would still only be a perception of said collision.
PhilGood
Juice box hero
killthepixel said:
MISTERQCUE said:
Truth!
My personal opinion is that older rap is better than the Gangsta, get my money, bling, bitches and ho's stuff that's out now. Too ego-centric with no conscience.
That's just me.
djhead
Military Intelligence
BTW, trying to keep up who is "beefing" with whom is worse than skipping WWE for 6 months and then watching it again.
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
djhead said:
LMAO!!!!
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
This beats Convoy by 2 years:
Life Is A Rock (But The Radio Rolled Me) by Reunion, 1974.
The chorus was sung, but the verse was rapped. VERY fast. As a kid my friends and I all memorized the lyrics.
http://home.att.net/~bubblegumusic/songliferok.htm
Life Is A Rock (But The Radio Rolled Me) by Reunion, 1974.
The chorus was sung, but the verse was rapped. VERY fast. As a kid my friends and I all memorized the lyrics.
http://home.att.net/~bubblegumusic/songliferok.htm
PhilGood said:
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
djhead said:
I disagree.
Music and art, all through the ages have serve as an oral or visual history, directly reflecting "the human condition", and having mnore than just a subtle influence on it.
It is communication at its rawest, purest form.
On the one hand, almost every rapper I have heard defend his/her genre against the critics proposes the argument "this is what we live and experience".
And don't tell me for a minute that rap doesn't influence people.
I would say it both reflects mnorality and has a HUGE influence on propogating that morality. That is not to say that evertyone will buy into it, but the influence is there nonetheless.
homestudioguy
Well-known member
How about "It depends how good the mic sounds when I RAP it across yo mouthsweetpeee said:
"OR "It depends on how good you sound when I RAP the included mic cable round yo neck
"OR "It depends on how well the aluminum case holds up when I RAP it around yo head
"HSG
PS Dont forget that it also depends on how you sound when I Hip Hop across yo face
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
homestudioguy said:How about "It depends how good the mic sounds when I RAP it across yo mouth
OR "It depends on how good you sound when I RAP the included mic cable round yo neck
OR "It depends on how well the aluminum case holds up when I RAP it around yo head
HSG
PS Dont forget that it also depends on how you sound when I Hip Hop across yo face
Who said ignorance was bliss?
Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
How could you miss WWE for even 2 Weeks????djhead said:
djhead
Military Intelligence
So what I said, basically? I never said it doesnt influence, merely said music cannot be held accountable for theactions of its listeners as it is merely an observation.fraserhutch said:
I wouldn't even if I thought It did not. All music influences. All art influences. but ther can and should be no accountability or lack of credibility for a genre based on the actions of its disciples. It should be judged as music, and as art. Music is defined as:
The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
The main two in rap are rythm and timbre, though some have melodies. Rap is therefore music, and cannot in and of itself be judged immoral as it is art, and merely an observation, it cannot be held liable.
Whoops, got on my soapbox a bit early. It seems we aggree. Dont ever scare me like that again!
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Cazzbar
Throbbing Member
So is the verse of The Buggles' 1979 hit "Video Killed the Radio Star" (where the guy holds his nose while talking) rap as well 