too many cymbals

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The problem isn't too many cymbals. The problem is he needs better sounding cymbals. That one crash is just harsh and horrible sounding!! It's a crap cymbal!

Get something with good quality and you won't have a problem with how many times he hits it in those songs.

Seriously! That's what the problem is.
 
This thread has inspired me to constantly beat the crap out of my crash/ride on every song from hear on out. If the guitarists say anything, I'm kicking their nancy-boy asses.
 
Greg, don't you play all instruments on most of your stuff?

Pull a Jim Carrey from Liar Liar: "I'm Kickin' my ass, DO YA MIND?!"

Lol. Yeah, I play all my own instruments on my own stuff, but I'm also a drumber in a band.
 
When the girls you slept with after last weeks shows still show up at the house because they actually like the music.

I can tell you're a really nice guy.


he might come over to my amp and turn down the treble cause it sounds better that way. Because no matter what, when the band sounds better, we are all happier that way. If my drummer took 2 strings off my bass and told me to play that way cause it will sound better if I focus that way, then I would do that in a heartbeat, cause he knows I can sound better and he will do whatever it takes to get ME to sound better, even if it means putting me in a headlock and forcing me to stay on the one instead of doing an arpegio or something.


Oh yeah? What if they were the bottom two strings?

The problem with your logic is that it assumes that every single person in the band is not an idiot.
























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It's not so much as rookie manuever, it's more like that is what happens when you live with your bandmates.

When you wake up in the morning, and before you even have that first cup of coffee, the tubes in the amps are already warmed up and you've played a couple of tunes.

When you can hear your drummer tapping his foot in a crowded room and know that he is thinking about the last fill in Achilles Last Stand.

When your drummer knows exactly what point your vocal fill comes in and leaves just enough air between his fills to let you hold that note for just another beat.

When you spend more money on tape than food cause you have to keep the tape rolling because there are so many songs coming out.

When the girls you slept with after last weeks shows still show up at the house because they actually like the music.

When you come off a 3 month tour and your drummer makes you sit down and finish the song you wrote at soundcheck right when you get home.

When you have the relationship in the rhythm section where you can stop on a dime and change time signatures on a whim cause you know that there is no way the train is going off the rails.

That is when you can tell them what to use on their kit, cause at soundcheck, he might come over to my amp and turn down the treble cause it sounds better that way. Because no matter what, when the band sounds better, we are all happier that way. If my drummer took 2 strings off my bass and told me to play that way cause it will sound better if I focus that way, then I would do that in a heartbeat, cause he knows I can sound better and he will do whatever it takes to get ME to sound better, even if it means putting me in a headlock and forcing me to stay on the one instead of doing an arpegio or something.

When I took away all my drummers stuff and left him with his stripped down kit, it was like we locked in that much tighter, and the fills that he did on the small kit were so great, he kept it that way for a few weeks, then gradually added things back into the kit.

It's like that time when he hid my 5 string bass from me cause he hated how the low B string sounded on certain songs. So I went back to the 4 string and never looked back.

It's like when the drummer stole the adapter to the guitarists pedal board cause it sounded so much better going straight into the marshall than through all those pedals.

When you have the relationships in the band that tight, the music is what matters most, not any individual and how much he wants to play. Gotta keep each other in check.

Try spending 87 nights in a row together in a rental van and see how much you have to say about each other's sound. And what you are willing to do about it.

This is total bullshit. If you were in a band that was this tight "feelingwise", you'd never have resorted to taking some of his set away. He'd be able to sense what you needed. My BS meter is PEGGED!!!
 
I don't know if giantsizeflower's long post is bullshit or not - but it is a lovely post which certainly makes life in a band on the road sound much more "romantic" than I recall my 7 years on the road being:eek:
 
The problem isn't too many cymbals. The problem is he needs better sounding cymbals. That one crash is just harsh and horrible sounding!! It's a crap cymbal!

Get something with good quality and you won't have a problem with how many times he hits it in those songs.

Seriously! That's what the problem is.

You're probably right about that, the problem is that he does'nt make much money, therefore he does'nt spend much on his kit. We've been playing together for almost a year now and he has'nt even bought new heads for his drums(which are beat to shit) As a matter of fact the only thing he has bought was another fucking cymbal (and a cheap used one if that)
 
Remind him how much money he will save in the long run by buying good cymbals now instead of buying crappy ones over and over again.

I agree that I don't think there are too many cymbals in the recording, they just might need to be treated differently, or different cymbals could be used at parts. I've recently discovered that I don't like the way my cymbal playing sounds in one of my songs... you could try really cranking his part on the recordings when you play it back so that he can really hear what it sounds like.

Also, as a side note to whoever said something about making a guitarist play with only three strings... my friend wrote a song with only three strings once because he was too cheap to go buy replacements for the three he broke.
 
Some years ago, one of my favorite drummers, Bill Bruford, went through a phase of avoiding ride cymbals and using small toms instead. That really made an impression on me, one I still follow at times. Check out his later work with King Crimson to hear how much the lack of cymbals opens up the sound.
 
You're making dinner. A nice tasty dish. You have an entire cabinet full of spices. Do you use every friggin' spice in every friggin dish? That would taste like crap!

:D:D:D

Man that basically is me when I cook & your right it does taste like crap. I don't know why I do it. I just see the paprika & gara masala sitting there 7 I gotta grab 'em. I never overplay with regard to drums though :p
 
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