Speaking of which, I wish the C1 and other SP mics had been on the 3D Mic CD. The ADK A51 is on there, but not any SP stuff.tubejay said:...The C1 really does sound like a mic that costs a lot more.
The Shure SM7 is one of my favorite mics too... and sometimes you can get good used ones for pretty cheap.Michael Jones said:I have a pair of TLM 103's and a Studio Projects T3.
The 103's are great for a lot of stuff, I've even used it on vocals.
The T3 seems to excel at vocals though, especially female vocals.
But if I were looking for ONE good, all around vocal mike, in the $500 - $1000 range, I'd go for a Shure SM7 and save the balance.
SureShotStudio said:no one mentioned the Microtech gefell m930. this mic is almost identical to the tlm103 and is cheaper. I have never used the tlm103 but i have used the m930 and i absolutly loved it. It uses the original neumann m7 capsule made precisely how georg neumann specified. Unlike the neumanns of today which specs have been changed by sennheiser.
sdelsolray said:It does not use the M7 capsule, but uses a different single Mylar membrane capsule designed by Microtech Gefell. The street price is higher too.
SureShotStudio said:ok my bad i thought i had an m7 capsule.... here in holland the m930 is cheaper than a tlm103.
Mark7 said:Now that we're sailing headlong off-topic (kind of) would anyone like to make a list of Neumanns and their MG equivalents for those of us who don't have clue 1?
Average prices (in $s, £s or €s) would be nice too
Hey thanks Sdelsolray and Mark7... very interesting.Mark7 said:Just in case anyone wants to know, here's Sdelsolray's list with prices
1: In £ sterling
Neumann TLM103: £596.76 - Gefell M930: £514.66
Neumann TLM170: £1,434.98 - Gefell UMT800: £1,041.05
Neumann U89: £1,394.27 - Gefell M70s: £
Neumann KM184: £428.82 - Gefell M300: £362.19
Neumann M147: £1,312.18 - Gefell M990: £1,163.13 (or M92.1s: £1,102.45)
Neumann M149: £2,443.60 - Gefell UM 92.1s: £1,408.07 (or UM900: £1,836.50)
2: In US $s
Neumann TLM103: $1,161.54 - Gefell M930: $1001.75
Neumann TLM170: $2793.07 - Gefell UMT800: $2026.32
Neumann U89: $2713.84 - Gefell M70s: $
Neumann KM184: $833.89 - Gefell M300: $704.98
Neumann M147: $2554.05 - Gefell M990: $2264.00 (or M92.1s: $2145.83)
Neumann M149: $4756.28 - Gefell UM 92.1s: $2740.70 (or UM900: $3574.59 )
Biggest savings are at the higher end
These may be similar in design, but they sound very different on the 3D Mic CD.sdelsolray said:...Neumann TLM103 - Gefell M930...
Flatpicker said:These may be similar in design, but they sound very different on the 3D Mic CD.
Flatpicker said:My suggestion…
Before throwing $1000 at a mic just because it’s on sale at GC, invest $45 in this CD:
http://www.3daudioinc.com/mics.html
No, it’s not the definitive answer to all things, but it’s a great resource for answering these type of questions. All of the mentioned mics are on here in both male and female versions. I can’t post samples because it would violate copyright laws and such, but I can give my humble opinions based on listening to the CD –
First a word about the vocals. The female vocal is a very pleasant, middle of the road voice – not a soprano, but not an alto either. Somewhere in the middle. Silky smooth, too. The male voice is also middle of the road pitch wise, but very, very raspy. I keep wanting him to clear his throat. At first listen, I wondered why they would use a voice like this for a mic demo, but the more I study it, I realize it’s a great contrast to the female vocal. What sounds good on him doesn’t usually sound good on her and vice-versa.
Now the mics…
The TLM 103 is lifeless on the female vocal, but sounds decent on the male vocal – not great, mind you, but very useable. The Gefell, on the other hand, was just opposite – sounded very good on female but was kind of thin on the male (I know this probably doesn’t make sense, but that’s the way it sounds). The KSM44 sounded great on both as did the AT4060, with the KSM44 being a little darker (certainly not brassy) and the AT4060 having a little more (very smooth!) highs while maintaining a slightly clearer low end. Of the mics mentioned and based on this CD, I’d beg, borrow, or steal to get an AT4060. If not that, I’d go for the KSM44.