Time For Room Treatment (studio drawing inside) Help Needed!

[BLP]

Well my KRK ROKIT 8'S G2 monitors with stands will be here around friday so I'm interested in learning about room treatment. I was told to make a drawing and it would help me get answers on what to do.

Attached is my attempted drawing with dimensions and furniture positions.


I have no idea as far as when people say "treated rooms" what they actually do to get it done properly so I'm hoping to get some help here?


Any advice?



(Correction, I've decided to go get the ROKITS today they in store now but I can't afford the stands just yet)


But, Seeing my room dimensions, do yall think ROKIT 8'S are going to be too big?

 

[miroslav]

Love the bar and TV across from the bed!

 

[BLP]

Love the bar and TV across from the bed!

lol its bout 4 ft tall bar that holds a mini fridge on top and a tv

 

[BLP]

This was built in a garage so The back 12ft wall you see was put there custom it use to lead to laundry room I closed it off....... I'm willing to build a another wall somewhere in room for mixing purposes IF I HAVE TOO but prefer not too

 

[miroslav]

I would consider this type of layout:

Rearrange the room.

Forget that coffin of a booth, it ill server little purpose other than to take up your precious room space.

Lose one couch...but keep the bar if you need to.

 

[BLP]

the booth is already built......i built it there awhile ago...... it's strictly for vocals....... I only record vocals in the booth


the drawing I posted that you see is my actual set up as of right now

 

[BLP]

Rearrange the room.

Forget that coffin of a booth, it ill server little purpose other than to take up your precious room space.

Lose one couch...but keep the bar if you need to.

I can't lose the booth, only improve it, it's already built, I could lose the bar its not necessary (but i love it lol) just holds up a tv and mini fridge....

 

[Jeff_D]

I guess I'll be the jerk. The biggest improvement to that booth would probably be to remove it.
And just so you think I'm not just trying to dog ya, here's something useful... http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm
Video's good too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLVjHfHahg
and, more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSX14geMw-c&

 

[BLP]

I guess I'll be the jerk. The biggest improvement to that booth would probably be to remove it.
And just so you think I'm not just trying to dog ya, here's something useful... http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm
Video's good too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLVjHfHahg
and, more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSX14geMw-c&

Your not being a jerk, I'm taking all advice into consideration!

 

[Jeff_D]

Your not being a jerk, I'm taking all advice into consideration!

Glad you're taking advice into consideration. You'll most likely get a more natural sounding vocal track in a large well treated room. Aside from that, I think you'll create a much better (and symmetrical) monitoring environment if you go back to a rectangular room. Based on your drawing, it looks like you have your corners open- a lot of rooms have doors and other obstacals in the corners, so that gives you some really easy opportunity to treat your room. Search here for "bass traps", rigid fiberglass and rockwool. These are things you'll want to use moving forward in luie of any kind of foam. Ethan's videos give some great insights into the theory and methods most HR people employ. Ethan used to be a regular member here (he still posts once in a while).

 

[BLP]

I don't know if this matters but this room is really just for recording and mixing hip hop and R n b music.


The instrumentals are made on the computer and the booth is for recording vocals.


I want to be able to record the vocals and mix them to the instrumentals in the best mixing environment possible with what I have available.

With the current set up, it works well for me but I know it can be improved because I have NO room treatment.


The vocal recording booth was built two walls thick with the pink fibreglass insulation put inside the walls ... carpeted floor, and acoustic foam on ceiling, walls, and door. It is 9ft tall and the walls are 5ft wide.

I get a good vocal with the booth that I can then digitally process to my liking.

I was told that acoustic foam is not good for the booth.

If I was to take it all down, out the booth, what should I replace it with, because behind the foam is just sheet-rock

also, what can I do with all the acoustic foam? is there something I can make out of it to help my mixing environment?

 

[BLP]

Glad you're taking advice into consideration. You'll most likely get a more natural sounding vocal track in a large well treated room. Aside from that, I think you'll create a much better (and symmetrical) monitoring environment if you go back to a rectangular room. Based on your drawing, it looks like you have your corners open- a lot of rooms have doors and other obstacals in the corners, so that gives you some really easy opportunity to treat your room. Search here for "bass traps", rigid fiberglass and rockwool. These are things you'll want to use moving forward in luie of any kind of foam. Ethan's videos give some great insights into the theory and methods most HR people employ. Ethan used to be a regular member here (he still posts once in a while).

Considering I might want to keep my booth , should I take the acoustic foam down and replace it with rigid fiberglass and rockwool???

what to do with the EXPENSIVE foam I got tricked into buying awhile ago lol?

There has to be something I can make out of it?

 

[Jeff_D]

sell to someone who doesn't know any better.

 

[pure.fusion]

I treated my room recently. You may glean something from it...

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=299984

Cheers,
FM

 

[miroslav]

I don't know if this matters but this room is really just for recording and mixing hip hop and R n b music.


The instrumentals are made on the computer and the booth is for recording vocals.


I want to be able to record the vocals and mix them to the instrumentals in the best mixing environment possible with what I have available.

The booth isn't really adding any magic to the vocal...especially if you want to treat the whole room properly, then the booth in that size room is non-essential, and you have to think about the mixing even more than a vocal booth...and as-is, your mixing location is poorly placed...which is why I made the recommendation to move things around.

Without the booth...all you might need is a nice iso-shield to keep some room reflections out of the mic when recording vocals...but again, if you are going to treat the whole room...that might not even be needed...and you gain a lot of precious space (which is good for the mixing) by losing the booth and relocation your mixing position symmetrically in the room.

Good luck.

 

[BLP]

I'm looking to change my mixing area like you have in drawing

 

[BLP]

The booth isn't really adding any magic to the vocal...especially if you want to treat the whole room properly, then the booth in that size room is non-essential, and you have to think about the mixing even more than a vocal booth...and as-is, your mixing location is poorly placed...which is why I made the recommendation to move things around.

Without the booth...all you might need is a nice iso-shield to keep some room reflections out of the mic when recording vocals...but again, if you are going to treat the whole room...that might not even be needed...and you gain a lot of precious space (which is good for the mixing) by losing the booth and relocation your mixing position symmetrically in the room.

Good luck.

The booth, has kept all outside noises from my vocal tracks. There is no magic, just a nice clean vocal track to work with everytime

 

[RAMI]

The booth, has kept all outside noises from my vocal tracks. There is no magic, just a nice clean vocal track to work with everytime

No, it's giving you a worse sound because you're in a smaller room, and foam makes it worse. Read up on acoustics a bit. I guarantee once you get over being in denial, you'll wish you never built a "booth". When you read about "vocal booths" in big studios, we're talking about "booths" that are probably twice the size of your whole room. I think the word "booth" throws people off and they imagine a phone booth or something.

Lose the booth...and then lose the foam. You're not doing anything good for yourself with that stuff.

 

[BLP]

No, it's giving you a worse sound because you're in a smaller room, and foam makes it worse. Read up on acoustics a bit. I guarantee once you get over being in denial, you'll wish you never built a "booth". When you read about "vocal booths" in big studios, we're talking about "booths" that are probably twice the size of your whole room. I think the word "booth" throws people off and they imagine a phone booth or something.

Lose the booth...and then lose the foam. You're not doing anything good for yourself with that stuff.

What denial am I in? I'm just saying that for me, and my purpose, the booth is giving me vocals that I feel comfortable mixing. I like them. I like being able to have all my fans on in the garage, loud computer, people in the room talking , cars passing by, dogs barking in the house, phones ringing in the room and still have a clean vocal noise free from the person delivering it in my booth. Anything that may be "lost" in acoustics is touched up threw my vocal processing techniques.

I see everyone bashing my booth theory but it works for me.

I made this thread in hopes to maybe make my mixing environment more accurate with my Rokit 8's.


Last month, I recorded a song in my "death coffin" booth and mixed it in my untreated room, with dell computer speakers and subwoofer and still managed to make it decent enough to make the local radio and be requested over and over. Not saying that's a good thing the way I did it, but I believe I have a very good ear for music and creative mind for mixing techniques that I managed to record and mix a song that made it to radio.


Please nobody take this is a anger post, or arrogant, or being an asshole.

I take everything into consideration when I get answers from this wonderful forum.

But, I've decided I'll figure out how to get the best sound on my own.

I'll stick to the mixing forum because it seems I can make a better final product by trusting my instincts and going with the flow


I can't get the perfect mixing environment, I see that now, but with what I got I make it work for me and people the best I can

 

[miroslav]

Don't take our advice negatively.
RAMI is right about "living in denial"...most guys that start out tend to do that because of their limited resources, knowledge or funds....and that's OK...it's become kinda' the norm.

You did start off by asking for advice and help.:

...I'm interested in learning about room treatment. I was told to make a drawing and it would help me get answers on what to do.

I have no idea as far as when people say "treated rooms" what they actually do to get it done properly so I'm hoping to get some help here?


Any advice?

Now when none of the advice we gave fit in with your situation, you turned it around and said you would just use your own instincts...which is OK, too, but there is some denial causing that stance, and many of us have been there, so we know.

We’re just trying to suggest what will work much better for you, and none of it is all that complicated or expensive.
But...do what works for you.