The Secret To Great Recordings

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Greg_L said:
They're not dumb because idiots like you will pay for it. It's a good business plan to convince people that the room is all that matters. I aint mad at ya there. You gotta make a living too. Meanwhile, there's thousands and thousands of people doing their own thing in their own home studio that sounds better than that clusterfucked shit you posted earlier.
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So the Mp3 i posted of Ethan Winers song is a bad recording? laughable and you are embarrassing yourself worse and worse. Now we know that you do then believe that these studio building companies are a rip off and not needed for great recordings then, right? Ok, I think we see who is off the deep end now. I can't wait to see you confront Ethan to start with. You can explain all this yto him and i will watch you give the proof of what you say. Why, you'll have him ripping is bass traps out of his studio after you teach him all this, right?
 
Greg_L said:
Everything is to the extreme with you. That's really funny. You've taken like ten-thousand things out of context and twisted them into your own delusional claims of what people say. I'd point out the desperation of that kind of defense, but I don't think I really need to.
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lol, check this quote
"They're not dumb because idiots like you will pay for it. It's a good business plan to convince people that the room is all that matters. I aint mad at ya there. You gotta make a living too."

And this guy says I am taking things out of context. did he or did he not just say that they are only selling to idiots, meaning what they are doing is meaningless. greg, you are embarrassing yourself here.
 
Man, I'm so confused... I don't know whether to shut this thread down or go get popcorn.....


Okay, hold on.... popcorn.... and beer. :drunk:

Please continue. :laughings:
 
clivus said:
I mostly listen to the 50s, 60s and 70s stations on XM for that very reason. I find the recordings from these decades to be much more listenable than most newer fare.
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Its worth remembering that the successful music of the 50's 60's, & 70's would have been the hits by the bigger artists and hence the one's we remember now. Virtually all of those records were recorded on professional equipment much of which was the best equipment available at the time. There were also professional engineers and producers behind the scenes in those professional studios. None of the well known music that survives today would I consider haphazard from a production standpoint. For instance a Beach Boys recording 1963 is as clean and "present" as anything done today. And yet its getting close to half a century old. It's tempting to think that the recording world of 50 years ago was little more than strings and tin cans but the recording industry has been a very sophisticated for a very long time now. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the engineers of old had more talent overall than the engineers of today.
 
jeff0633 said:
So the Mp3 i posted of Ethan Winers song is a bad recording? laughable and you are embarrassing yourself worse and worse. Now we know that you do then believe that these studio building companies are a rip off and not needed for great recordings then, right? Ok, I think we see who is off the deep end now. I can't wait to see you confront Ethan to start with. You can explain all this yto him and i will watch you give the proof of what you say. Why, you'll have him ripping is bass traps out of his studio after you teach him all this, right?
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Wow. That's quite a collection of straw. Impressive. Weak, but impressive for a strawman.
 
Chili said:
Man, I'm so confused... I don't know whether to shut this thread down or go get popcorn.....


Okay, hold on.... popcorn.... and beer. :drunk:

Please continue. :laughings:
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I have the popcorn..all I need is a redbeer...:D I've been entertained for about an hour now..
 
Lance Lawson said:
Its worth remembering that the successful music of the 50's 60's, & 70's would have been the hits by the bigger artists and hence the one's we remember now. Virtually all of those records were recorded on professional equipment much of which was the best equipment available at the time. There were also professional engineers and producers behind the scenes in those professional studios. None of the well known music that survives today would I consider haphazard from a production standpoint. For instance a Beach Boys recording 1963 is as clean and "present" as anything done today. And yet its getting close to half a century old. It's tempting to think that the recording world of 50 years ago was little more than strings and tin cans but the recording industry has been a very sophisticated for a very long time now. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the engineers of old had more talent overall than the engineers of today.
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I don't know about more talent... But they certainly had to be much more creative in many areas. They had to be.
 
Are you going to butter that popcorn? Not very healthy. No, I give up, Greg is right. Good rooms are meaningless, so just give me the small bedroom with concrete floor, no corner trapping, no absorption, and I'll get great recordings that could be released on the radio as long as I have a good song and good musicians. I give up. I expect Harvey and Ethan will be tossing out their bass traps and diffusers. Vocal booth? For what? Amp room, for what? Drum room, for what? Control room? For what? Studio monitors instead of Pc speakers? For what? All you need is a good song, good musicians and it's equivalent to anythong any Nashville studio could record. They just wasted their money building those expensive, massive rooms. What fools, I am now with Greg on this. He informed me that Ethans recording was crap, so what else is there? All hail Greg and the small bedroom with no treatment!!!
 
TeyshaBlue said:
Wow. That's quite a collection of straw. Impressive. Weak, but impressive for a strawman.
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need I post the original thread post? He said good rooms are not needed for good RECORDINGS, and you agreed. No straw at all I'm afraid.
 
jeff0633 said:
Are you going to butter that popcorn? Not very healthy. No, I give up, Greg is right. Good rooms are meaningless, so just give me the small bedroom with concrete floor, no corner trapping, no absorption, and I'll get great recordings that could be released on the radio as long as I have a good song and good musicians. I give up. I expect Harvey and Ethan will be tossing out their bass traps and diffusers. Vocal booth? For what? Amp room, for what? Drum room, for what? Control room? For what? Studio monitors instead of Pc speakers? For what? All you need is a good song, good musicians and it's equivalent to anythong any Nashville studio could record. They just wasted their money building those expensive, massive rooms. What fools, I am now with Greg on this. He informed me that Ethans recording was crap, so what else is there? All hail Greg and the small bedroom with no treatment!!!
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FWIW. Drop the non sequiturs. You're not very good with them.
 
jeff0633 said:
So the Mp3 i posted of Ethan Winers song is a bad recording? laughable and you are embarrassing yourself worse and worse. Now we know that you do then believe that these studio building companies are a rip off and not needed for great recordings then, right? Ok, I think we see who is off the deep end now. I can't wait to see you confront Ethan to start with. You can explain all this yto him and i will watch you give the proof of what you say. Why, you'll have him ripping is bass traps out of his studio after you teach him all this, right?
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Lol. Does Ethan charge you rent to live in his taint? You act like he's some supernatural dude. Seriously, your hero worship is kind of disturbing. I gotta give you credit for one thing, you are very good at distorting the facts so far that I'm not even sure what we're arguing about now. Let's back up a little, m'kay?

.I think that everything matters. Players, gear, room, everything. They all work together to make a good recording. One piece is not more important than an another. Poorly tuned drums will not sound good in any room. Yeah, you can get a pristine recording of bad drums in a good room, but who the fuck wants to hear that? It's still bad drums, but kudos on recording them so well. That's fucking retarded.

You think the room is all that matters. The gear can suck, the players can suck, the music can suck, but if the room is good, that's all that matters. Did I get that right? You're wrong. I win again.

jeff0633 said:
lol, check this quote
"They're not dumb because idiots like you will pay for it. It's a good business plan to convince people that the room is all that matters. I aint mad at ya there. You gotta make a living too."

And this guy says I am taking things out of context. did he or did he not just say that they are only selling to idiots, meaning what they are doing is meaningless. greg, you are embarrassing yourself here.
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Fine then, I'm embarrassed. You're still dumb and wrong.
 
jeff0633 said:
need I post the original thread post? He said good rooms are not needed for good RECORDINGS, and you agreed. No straw at all I'm afraid.
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It ain't black and white..as much as it appears you want it to be. I said it was not the most important element. I also went on to say a good room was desireable, but not the panacea of recording you make it out to be.
 
Lance Lawson said:
Its worth remembering that the successful music of the 50's 60's, & 70's would have been the hits by the bigger artists and hence the one's we remember now. Virtually all of those records were recorded on professional equipment much of which was the best equipment available at the time. There were also professional engineers and producers behind the scenes in those professional studios. None of the well known music that survives today would I consider haphazard from a production standpoint. For instance a Beach Boys recording 1963 is as clean and "present" as anything done today. And yet its getting close to half a century old. It's tempting to think that the recording world of 50 years ago was little more than strings and tin cans but the recording industry has been a very sophisticated for a very long time now. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the engineers of old had more talent overall than the engineers of today.
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Totally correct. They had fine engineers in those times and some fine rooms as well.
 
Jeff,

I think what some of the group is trying to get across to you is that the majority would tolerate awesome talent recorded in a mediocre way as compared to a techinically flawless recording in a perfect room of a mediocre singer, band, or what have you.

I happen to be in that camp also, which is why I wanted to offer you a really brief paragraph hoping to convey the idea a little kinder and simpler. It's easy to get carried away here for sure. Seemingly a lot of us (myself included) get a dickhead momentum going and there's no turning back sometimes ha ha.

Anyway, producing an album from an idea has many steps - songwriting (music and lyrics), setting up musicians and vocalists, recording them, mixing them, finalizing the mixes, mastering the mixes into the medium to be used for duplication, producing the artwork, color scheme and font choices, manufacturing and duplication, then finally distributing and marketing. Often this is followed with live performances to produce awareness and market hype. After all, who doesn't enjoy a good concert?

What you're hearing is that many of us believe a good recording starts in the very beginning of the process, and what happens afterwards, while important, is not as important as the songwriting, composing, and performance that is to be captured.

After all, a flawless recording of a tone-deaf trio of chimps in a $1m sonically beautiful room with 1/2 a mil worth of 192K protools gives you what? A flawless recording of a tone-deaf trio of chimps.

While the membership here would actually appreciate the effort, technique, and detail in the "technically flawless" recording because we're all into recording as an art in one way or another, NONE of us would want to listen to a trio of tone-deaf chimps while driving to work on our car stereo.

Does that make better sense?
 
TeyshaBlue said:
It ain't black and white..as much as it appears you want it to be. I said it was not the most important element. I also went on to say a good room was desireable, but not the panacea of recording you make it out to be.
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And my point is that a good song has nothing to do with what a good recording is, and neither does musicianship. A recording is a copy of any sound, and a good recording is a copy that captures the source without distortion of the original source because of low end smearing and numerous other problems. You can capture a good recording of a man grunting to dump a log, and you could get a crappy recording of the same thing and i could tell you which room was the better room for the recording. A good recording is simply a good refcording and it matters not what the sound source was, a man puking, grunting to take a dump, a girl screaming, or an orchestra. A good recording DOES NOT have huge dip in the low end and messed up frequencies from reflection points and comb filtering. So the original poster was flat out wrong when he said it a good recording had nothing to do with a good room. That is absolutely 100 percent wrong. Does it mean you couldn't tell if you liked a song just because it was recorded in a bedroom, nope not at all. A good song si just that, bad recording or not. A good song can be badly recorded or recorded with none of thoie problems. It changes nothing about the song being good or not, but a good song is not a good recording, which the original poster attempted to say, and that was simply false.
 
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