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drtechno
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then show me a current music release on 1/4 inch master, nothing is impossible I guess.
Massive Master
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He's spreading nonsense about the whole forum.
For the record (no pun intended) the vast (VAST) majority of tape I get in is 1/4". I have a slight personal preference for 1/2" (but most engineers I know prefer 1/4" and that's cool with me).
And when I say "vast" majority, it's probably more than 10:1.
1" stereo...?
leddy
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drtechno
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yes, 1 inch stereo. a modded atr100 lives in Brian Carlstrom's studio in l.a. Mr. French at JRF Magnetics made it for the industry as well as the 8 track 2" head. Brian uses it for all his Zombie Alice in Chains Needs. Mr French recommends modding Studer A80's for this task because Brian spent a lot of $$$ modding that Ampex and the Studer is more up to the task.
.... also here is an interesting device we keep in the dark. I 've seen them in eight commercial studios:
CLASP The Sound of What’s Been Missing « Endless Analog
.... also here is an interesting device we keep in the dark. I 've seen them in eight commercial studios:
CLASP The Sound of What’s Been Missing « Endless Analog
leddy
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And that makes the industry standards obsolete, or "lo fi"?
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drtechno
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ok ok I'll stop. I sould not tell everbody everything. Just somethings
leddy
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You can tell people things, but without adding other stuff that isn't true. mmmkay?
lonewhitefly
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lonewhitefly
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Surprised you haven't heard about the new 2" mono deck -- way fatter.
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RAMI
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Yes please stop.
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drtechno
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well..... people told me to stop here. and my intern told me I should stay with what everyone can find out for themselves.
so if you want some data about it go to the place that made them:
Head relapping
laters,
got people comming in about 10 minutes......
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RAMI
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On second thought.......
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lonewhitefly
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I'm pretty sure JRF will make any headstack configuration you want. But that doesn't change the fact that most studios have never heard of a 1" 2-track machine, and it's not likely that any tape deck manufacturer ever made one, since it's pointless.
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Astralography
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If you record things properly in the first place, you can mix down from 8, 16 or 24 track onto 1/4 inch tape with wonderful results. You do need a half track deck.. not a four track as most reel to reels using 1/4 inch are four track.
Clean tape, properly aligned and clean heads. I mixed into a 1/4 inch master last night that sounds stellar. Better than any digital mix I have ever heard. What I mean is that it sounds much more NATURAL. In my case we are doing a jazz record. Outside the obvious, performance and material.. the room you record in cannot be overlooked. We build our studio from the ground up into the same specs the ancient Greeks used for sound acoustics. The golden mean of acoustic property. They used a 3/2/1 ratio and we integrated natural sound baffles into the structural design. In our room.. we don't need to use effect reverb units. The room does it just right. The less you signal process, the better your sound will be if you record in a great room.
I know a lot of people here are wanting to change the sound of every instrument in the quest to sound original. Understood. Probably better to be in the digital world for that approach.
My feeling is that we have some time tested proven sounding instruments that sound great in any age. We don't need to throw away the symphony because violins are archaic instruments from the past.
Tube amps sound better than solid state. The move to solid state was a real compromise.
Clean tape, properly aligned and clean heads. I mixed into a 1/4 inch master last night that sounds stellar. Better than any digital mix I have ever heard. What I mean is that it sounds much more NATURAL. In my case we are doing a jazz record. Outside the obvious, performance and material.. the room you record in cannot be overlooked. We build our studio from the ground up into the same specs the ancient Greeks used for sound acoustics. The golden mean of acoustic property. They used a 3/2/1 ratio and we integrated natural sound baffles into the structural design. In our room.. we don't need to use effect reverb units. The room does it just right. The less you signal process, the better your sound will be if you record in a great room.
I know a lot of people here are wanting to change the sound of every instrument in the quest to sound original. Understood. Probably better to be in the digital world for that approach.
My feeling is that we have some time tested proven sounding instruments that sound great in any age. We don't need to throw away the symphony because violins are archaic instruments from the past.
Tube amps sound better than solid state. The move to solid state was a real compromise.
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drtechno
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wow.... talk about the critics
that is a pretty generalization "most studios"
The format came out late in the game and it was only marketed to mastering facilities what I heard. It was a european tape standard. 3M or Studer made it
On a side note, what......the love I feel in this room.....don't be on the offensive... its just a tape machine. Signed up to a news group and get slammed ? As for other comments: "there is no rules for recording" ---Alan Parson
that is a pretty generalization "most studios"
The format came out late in the game and it was only marketed to mastering facilities what I heard. It was a european tape standard. 3M or Studer made it
On a side note, what......the love I feel in this room.....don't be on the offensive... its just a tape machine. Signed up to a news group and get slammed ? As for other comments: "there is no rules for recording" ---Alan Parson
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Beck
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Granted there are some trends to fat tracks in limited circles, but it is very recent in the grand scheme of things. Ever since I've been in this business/hobby (late 1970's) 1/4" half-track at either 15 or 30 ips has been the defacto standard for mixing/mastering and to a lesser degree 1/2" half-track. I still accept 1/4" half-track mixes for mastering work. In fact I still accept Super beta Hi-Fi tapes, but its been so long since I've even been asked to work with a 1/2" mix that its not worth my trouble to invest in a 1/2" half-track... and certainly not a 1" half-track. Sure they're out there but it's a very small demand. There's nothing "low fi" about 1/4" half-track. Pick any number of your favorite albums from 1960's through early 1990's and chances are really good it was mixed and mastered on 1/4" half-track analog.
lonewhitefly
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People use this forum as a resource and posting things about 1/4" 2-track being 'lo-fi' and 1" 2-track being some kind of standard are really statements that need to be balanced with other perspectives. 1" 4-track was an older European standard.
Here's a legit discussion about 1" 2-track:
Re: [ARSCLIST] One Inch, two track master tapes- 15 or 30 IPS
This is a very specialized format apparently. This would be for archiving or serious all-analog duplication or something ... they're probably doing things like transfer fragile masters to a 'lossless' analog format. I personally can't fathom how 1" 2-track would ever be practical in any situation, but that's simply a matter of opinion. Supposedly someone put together a 2" 2-track as well.
Apparently my earlier statement about no company manufacturing one may be incorrect, since it looks like Ampex MAY have made one ... either that or someone made a headstack for it.
1/4" was the standard throughout the '50s-'70s, then 1/2" 2-track later on ... but 1/4" never really went away and is probably the most common mastering format overall.
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