Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
Hear, hear.Henry Mars said:
breeeeza
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actually TWO single coil pick ups, ONE humbucker AND a whammy bar. What does your come with?mx_mx said:
mx_mx
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A rusty snatch....oh, are we talking about guitars?breeeeza said:
breeeeza
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im not sure, if were not then mine has an on/off switchmx_mx said:A rusty snatch....oh, are we talking about guitars?
Double
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Gibson is a one trick pony
A vintage styled strat is one of the most versatile guitars around. You can use the bridge pickup for great over the top distortion (Hendrix) or for faux tele sound. The middle pickup can be tuned to sound like a big box Gibson or you can use the bridge and middle together for that out of phase sound that Clapton, Lynyrd Skynyrd and early Mark Knopfler use. The neck pickup can do it all from woody jazz to haul ass overdrive (SRV).
Gibson guitars are one trick ponies and one trick is all the horse can do. Don’t get me wrong, some Gibson’s are great sounding but they only have that one sound. You can’t make a Gibson sound like a strat but you can make a strat sound like Gibson.
A vintage styled strat is one of the most versatile guitars around. You can use the bridge pickup for great over the top distortion (Hendrix) or for faux tele sound. The middle pickup can be tuned to sound like a big box Gibson or you can use the bridge and middle together for that out of phase sound that Clapton, Lynyrd Skynyrd and early Mark Knopfler use. The neck pickup can do it all from woody jazz to haul ass overdrive (SRV).
Gibson guitars are one trick ponies and one trick is all the horse can do. Don’t get me wrong, some Gibson’s are great sounding but they only have that one sound. You can’t make a Gibson sound like a strat but you can make a strat sound like Gibson.
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Mustafa Salaam
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Henry Mars said:
Tell that to Jimi Hendrix!
Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
I don't think he can hear you!Mustafa Salaam said:Tell that to Jimi Hendrix!
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sweetpeee
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Gibson guitars are one trick ponies and one trick is all the horse can do. Don’t get me wrong, some Gibson’s are great sounding but they only have that one sound. You can’t make a Gibson sound like a strat but you can make a strat sound like Gibson.
You can make a strat sound like a Les Paul?? Are we talking about a stock strat? If not, if we are talking about a strat with a double coil pickup in the bridge posistion, what are your feelings about coil taps on both pickups of a Les Paul? Jimmy Page gets an awful lot of tones in his Les Paul that way...
J.P.
You can make a strat sound like a Les Paul?? Are we talking about a stock strat? If not, if we are talking about a strat with a double coil pickup in the bridge posistion, what are your feelings about coil taps on both pickups of a Les Paul? Jimmy Page gets an awful lot of tones in his Les Paul that way...
J.P.
Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
Sweetpee, I think I understand where Double is coming from even if I don't agree 100%.
If all of your playing uses heavily-overdriven amps, the tonal differences between humbuckers and single-coil pickups become less noticeable, even though the typical humbucker will have more signal and more sustain than the typical single coil. But you can be running so much distortion that it's virtually impossible to tell what kind of guitar is being used.
In my experience, for situations where the guitar's tone is allowed to shine through, SSS Strats have a much greater tonal range than HH Gibsons and that makes the Strat more versatile to me. Even so, each type of guitar sounds unique and has its place.
Espskully, you mentioned that you had owned Strats and had given up on them in favor of Gibsons. I felt the same way at one time but in retrospect I think it had more to do with the sound I was trying to attain, and the amps and other equipment available to me at the time. The Strat wasn't cutting it and I went back to Gibson.
Now I like 'em both!
If all of your playing uses heavily-overdriven amps, the tonal differences between humbuckers and single-coil pickups become less noticeable, even though the typical humbucker will have more signal and more sustain than the typical single coil. But you can be running so much distortion that it's virtually impossible to tell what kind of guitar is being used.
In my experience, for situations where the guitar's tone is allowed to shine through, SSS Strats have a much greater tonal range than HH Gibsons and that makes the Strat more versatile to me. Even so, each type of guitar sounds unique and has its place.
Espskully, you mentioned that you had owned Strats and had given up on them in favor of Gibsons. I felt the same way at one time but in retrospect I think it had more to do with the sound I was trying to attain, and the amps and other equipment available to me at the time. The Strat wasn't cutting it and I went back to Gibson.
Now I like 'em both!
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sweetpeee
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If all of your playing uses heavily-overdriven amps, the tonal differences between humbuckers and single-coil pickups become less noticeable, even though the typical humbucker will have more signal and more sustain than the typical single coil. But you can be running so much distortion that it's virtually impossible to tell what kind of guitar is being used.
I agree 100% I was saying just about the same thing on a Variax thread. I think maybe a lot of people trying it out for the first time crank up the distortion and just blow, wondering why the guitars modeled don't sound different (I was one of those people lol).It's difficult to hear the differences in the guitar models if the amp is completely distorted/overdriven.
I was tring to get some clarity on the "you can make a strat sound like a Gibson, but you can't make a Gibson sound like a strat" (paraphrasing) comment. On a clean setting, to my ears at least, a Strat will never sound like a Les Paul if both guitars are plugged in to the same amp one after another, unless one or the other has been modified.
J.P.
I agree 100% I was saying just about the same thing on a Variax thread. I think maybe a lot of people trying it out for the first time crank up the distortion and just blow, wondering why the guitars modeled don't sound different (I was one of those people lol).It's difficult to hear the differences in the guitar models if the amp is completely distorted/overdriven.
I was tring to get some clarity on the "you can make a strat sound like a Gibson, but you can't make a Gibson sound like a strat" (paraphrasing) comment. On a clean setting, to my ears at least, a Strat will never sound like a Les Paul if both guitars are plugged in to the same amp one after another, unless one or the other has been modified.
J.P.
Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
Agreed. They'll only sound alike when you're playing really dirty.sweetpeee said:
I remember that Variax thread, BTW, and you're right - you have to listen to the models clean (or not more than crunchy) to hear the nuances.
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Henry Mars
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I never thought Hendrix was that great .... I didn't like his sound with or with out the Strat.Mustafa Salaam said:Tell that to Jimi Hendrix!
I saw him live, had a good laugh and walked out. I guess it was ok, just not for me.
cephus
Slow Children Playing
Henry Mars said:
Dude. You are so full of shit. I love you, but there is a pile of shit beside you that won't fit in you because you are so full of it.
I know you thought it was cute to say that, or maybe you thought it would elevate your reputation to say that "Jimi Hendrix was OK, I guess." It's either ingenuine or you really don't know dick about music. Hendrix was inaccurate and his intonation took liberties, but any idiot can see that what he was doing musically was valid.
I have to insist that you retract that, admit you were just waving your prick and never mention James Marshall Hendrix again, or I will be forced to state that Barney Kessel wasn't fit to replace the batteries in Richie Sambora's wah pedal.
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Henry Mars
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cephus said:
I have been around a long time ... I have seen a lot of guitar players and know a lot of guitar players. I won't retract that statement because that is the way I feel.
I was sitting on the back door of an old County Squire Station Wagon about thirty five or so years ago drinking a lot of beer with a very famous guitar player. He told me that he thought Hendrix was the greatest musician that ever lived. I told him he was nutz. He told me I was nutz. We drank some more beer. You see, opinons vary. The guy I am talking about is one of the best guitar players in the world in my opinion.
Hendrix? Nah, I prefer Duane Allman. People are effected differnt ways by music. I guess I don't have that herding instinct. Hey it is ok to like Hendrix ... I just can't take it seriously. My wife can't stand Ku Lu Se Mama ..... I love Trane.
cephus
Slow Children Playing
Fair enough. Pass me a beer.
I really don't even know who Barney Kessel is. I'm just a dick like that.
I really don't even know who Barney Kessel is. I'm just a dick like that.
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
I really don't even know who Barney Kessel is.
I guess that defines the intellectual level of this debate.
Me, I had a Strat, and I gave it away. Too much like playing a canoe paddle, and it always sounded like somebody else.
Now, my Les Paul Deluxe....
I guess that defines the intellectual level of this debate.
Me, I had a Strat, and I gave it away. Too much like playing a canoe paddle, and it always sounded like somebody else.
Now, my Les Paul Deluxe....
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travelin travis
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Henry Mars said:
When I was about 15-16, I did'nt like Hendrix because I thought he played sloppy. Man what a stupid kid I was. Man what a stupid adult you are.
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TravisinFlorida said:When I was about 15-16, I did'nt like Hendrix because I thought he played sloppy. Man what a stupid kid I was. Man what a stupid adult you are.
exactly. his 'sloppyness' hides a perfect intuitive sense of timing.
it's like hearing thelonious monk for the first time : you think he's off and all of a sudden you realise he's not, it's just his sense of timing playing little tricks.
man! i LOVE music
Monkey Allen
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I really like 'em. A Strat and Jimi...great
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travelin travis
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Monkey Allen said:
The greatest! His creativity blows my mind, not to mention his tone. He was hella bad on an acoustic too.