ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Snare is better for sure.
Good work,
G
Good work,
G
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Very cool, man...I listened to the new mix - 1.26.12. The mix sounds great to me...everything is clear and well-balanced. I love the textures and how you bring in lots of different elements throughout to keep it interesting. There's something about the section from 1:22 - 1:31 that left me wanting to hear a different type of production there...I'm not sure what, and I hate to say that it sounds like it needs a master telephone EQ treatment or beatbox percussion, because those options seem overused and abused, but something like that is what my ears were craving...something to differentiate that section production-wise from the rest of the track. I felt similar in the 2:30 - 2:40 area as well, although I wouldn't do the same thing in both...hopefully I'm not being presumptuous offering production suggestions in a mix forum.
But while I'm being presumptuous...One other production idea that jumped into my mind as I listened was that I think it would sound really cool with doubled vocals an octave higher in the refrain...the part that says something like "It's all a joke...". I think octaves might be really cool and call it out in a cool way.
This was a great listen...kept my ears happy the whole way through
Very Best,
Cheers Dave. I'm very glad you checked it out and that it's sounding good on your end. Do not hesitate to offer suggestions of any kind. Even when I don't or can't act on them I am very interested in any ideas.
Your production ideas are in no way beneath me but rather beyond me at this point. I think I tried to differentiate the breaks merely by adding and/or removing a lot of elements, but did not venture into the territory of tone shaping bunches of tracks. I could really see that working though, I just don't exactly know how to work those kind of production techniques into my current set up. Mainly I try to plan all that stuff out in advance while tracking and then during the mixing stage I'm basically just fine tuning and erasing unwanted noise, dead air, etc. I'd like to be more bold with that kind of stuff though and am still learning.
On the vocals - I don't think I can hit an octave higher believe it or not! They are doubled there, but it is more or less unison. I may try something else there though. Thanks a bunch for the ideas.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
oh thats it dude
snare sounds much better imo...the oooo's really add to it..I could hear them before in the background but up front they really work
Id love to add some FX to this...did you track it in Reaper or outboard?
Awesome. Thanks. I like this mix now. Listened a few times and it grew on me. Thanks for your help.
It would be way cool if you did something (anything with this). Chop it up Fatboy Slim style!...maybe? Not sure I can provide a format you require though. I'm not using any PC software, but just the Roland workstation. And don't ask me the BPM! I have no freakin' idea. It's like uh, 12 or something. At least that was the tempo setting on the drum machine. Thank you again and let me know if you'd like me to send a file or files...
Hey rob! Thanks for checking in. I was hoping you would catch this and share your thoughts. Thanks for the encouragement.
I've heard of an e-bow but not sure what it is. That is done with two electric guitar tracks. My daughter and I both tried playing the part on a viola, but we weren't good enough at it to be recordable. I used a swell effect which sort of simulates when you ride the volume knob on a strat with your pinky (I can't do that trick on my SG). I also added a bunch of distortion and there's tons of amp reverb and then I EQ'd most of the highs and lows out of it. Doesn't sound like a viola, but kind of cool, right?
Here is the melody I was talking about:
From about 2:40 - 3:15 I was trying to play that on the lead guitar (chopped up a bit rhythm-wise to fit this beat). Thanks again.
Excellent. Thanks for your help eck!
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
me likey!
I like long songs ..... and quiet walks on the beach.
I like long songs ..... and quiet walks on the beach.
T
TripleM
Well-known member
Ooos are better. Maybe a db or so too loud now.
I listened a little more carefully to the low end this time. I compared it to a pro mix that I consider to have a strong low end. And your bass and kick were much louder than that one. You might want to compare against some of your favorite pro mixes to see what you come up with.
Once again - the song is really cool. Probably my favorite of yours.
I listened a little more carefully to the low end this time. I compared it to a pro mix that I consider to have a strong low end. And your bass and kick were much louder than that one. You might want to compare against some of your favorite pro mixes to see what you come up with.
Once again - the song is really cool. Probably my favorite of yours.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
me likey!
I like long songs ..... and quiet walks on the beach.
Yay! Thank you sir.
I think you may be right on both counts. Damn you!
I definitely am ok with being on the heavy end bass/kick-wise with this, but I may've overdone it to be sure.
Thanks for the good word and for coming back to check it again for me.
Stratomaster
Active member
Nice-Good feel. I like the bass tone, carries the verse just fine. Good vocal-voice sits well in the mix and good performance. The drum beat....hmm theres like a shuffle sound-a percussion sound in the beat i dont like. Seems like the drums could be helped and define this whole mix better, some crunch and verb on the drums...The instrumental breaks seem lacking-you could get really get off with the psychedelic layering-but they stick to pretty simple repetition with a car alarm chaser. Seems like this could easily be a 3 min pop song and really be memorable, the length is a hinderance to multiple listens. Cool tune, good atmosphere.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Thanks strat. Some really good points there. Some of what you point out is exactly as I want it (the scratchy samba drum machine bit, the drum sound, etc.), but others are simply a lack of experience and ability on my part to do more at this stage. Some of the breaks are layered sufficiently for me, but others are probably too sparse and/or simplistic musically. I sometimes rely too heavily on the hope that sudden changes in and of themselves will add interest regardless of substance. Wait - you could tell that was a car alarm?!?
Agreed on the length. It is pretty self-indulgent and probably should be a short, focused tune, but this is sort of my schtick for better or worse. I have a high tolerance for repetition.
The vocal bit surprises me, as I felt they were weak. Thanks for the encouragement there!
rayc
retroreprobate
Heat, the sanre...sound fine to me.
I love the bass & that's the hook really.
Lots goiong on a different times & in different spaces. I LIKE!
It could get very, vewy pysch trippy with a few tweaks too.
Cool stuff.
I love the bass & that's the hook really.
Lots goiong on a different times & in different spaces. I LIKE!
It could get very, vewy pysch trippy with a few tweaks too.
Cool stuff.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Thank you ray. I intended to go pretty far in the trippy direction, so will have to consider what else I could do here. I already have some suggestions above, but have used all 24 tracks at my disposal, so...
At this point my ideal would be to add layered cello tracks by you and then have KC mix it with added synth craziness!
I did a 3rd mix last night which is kind of a comp between the first two. Lowered the kick, bass and "oooh's" slightly per Trip's suggestion, and "mastered" it more gently for increased clarity and separation at the expense of some volume. I understand if no one is up for a 3rd mix, but here it is just in case. I think this is the one, barring any actual new content:
SoundClick artist: kingseesar - the end of the road - 1.27.12 remix
Thanks for the help everyone!
kcearl
I see deaf people
lol, you and your hardware Pete....one of these days youll get ITB 
my synths kinda drift when I try to play along to your stuff due to the bpm but I can hear some spots where FX and sweeps would cover up some sparser parts if you want to give it a go? Id be only to happy to add a couple of bleeps etc even if theyre not used
my synths kinda drift when I try to play along to your stuff due to the bpm but I can hear some spots where FX and sweeps would cover up some sparser parts if you want to give it a go? Id be only to happy to add a couple of bleeps etc even if theyre not used
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Ha! Technologically I've made my way up to about...oh, 1999 maybe? No computers for me thanks, except of course for communicating with you wonderful people here.
I'll send you a PM - thnaks.
I'll send you a PM - thnaks.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
No problemo Heat.
For some reason I am not aloud to watch the youtube video, maybe because of copyright laws in the UK? I'm not sure.
G
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Strange. I did notice afterward that it says it can't be embedded and you have to click on it to view directly in youtube. Maybe that has something to do with it? Try this one below. It doesn't have that message on it, plus it's in HD. The melody I borrowed begins arround :30 and reappears a few more times.
robgreen
no face
Cheers Pete - how on earth did I miss that first time round??? I think I was listening out for a sample rather than the melody line played by you. It's a good addition though, and I definitely wouldn't try and make your tunes shorter - they need to build up a groove and float around a while.
Thanks for clearing up the guitar line - I thought it had elements of riding the volume knob, but the sound seemed to even in volume to be that. An ebow gives off the same kind of effect I think by vibrating the strings.
Cool stuff man anyway man, my missus enjoyed it too.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
So you're familiar with that tune then, good. It just occured to me that it might not be common with younger folks. I just saw that movie so many times as a kid that it is ingrained in my brain. I checked out the e-bow - just shy of $100. Seems kind of gimmicky, but I bet you could coax some pretty freaky sounds out of it...hmmm. I'm tempted to get one now.
Thanks again to you - and the missus!