But isn't that true of any lethal substance ?it is not the heroin that kills directly unless you take too much
I don't know about that. In England for many years, registered heroin addicts have been prescribed heroin by and from a doctor. Rarely are they advertised as paragons of bountiful health.The life style is what damages your body
I'm glad to hear that !I am not going to prove if it is true or not.
I don't see the equation. Keith was a heroin addict from 1968 through to 1978. People that he did heroin with in that time didn't make the 10 years.Thing about Richards is proof that Heroin is less toxic than alcohol
I don't think it's an either/or. Different people have different tolerances and physical make-ups. Some are wrecked very quickly, others not. Alcohol is like heroin in this sense ~ over a lengthy period of time, overdoing it will smack one up. It is classified as a poison {I learned that in first aid !} but that needs to be taken with a pinch of salt ~ after all, a piano is classified as a percussion instrument. But hardly anyone regards a pianist as a percussionist.We go on about drugs but strangely alcohol .... a toxic poison ....damages the body more than heroin which in essence in its purest form is just an opiate pain killer
Sorry David Crosby.... sad loss 🙁🙁
Yeh Rich I watched a little documentary tonight that Crosby was out of control with guns and coke in the late 70's. He got 8 months in jail.I don't know Smithers. There are a lot of dead heroin addicts. I can have a drink or two, and then not drink for a month or more. I don't think that's possible with heroin. The one person that I knew that took heroin couldn't stop, and he's not around anymore.
Like Grim, I've read his autobiography. He credits his time in prison for saving his life.
My old doctor retired a few years ago. He said to me Stephen, I have been your GP for 30 years and I am surprised your liver still functions, I am pleased you stopped smoking a few years ago, you must be one of the one in a million people that is blessed with a bullet proof liver as all of your tests come back as normal.I don't see the equation. Keith was a heroin addict from 1968 through to 1978. People that he did heroin with in that time didn't make the 10 years.
I don't think it's an either/or. Different people have different tolerances and physical make-ups. Some are wrecked very quickly, others not. Alcohol is like heroin in this sense ~ over a lengthy period of time, overdoing it will smack one up. It is classified as a poison {I learned that in first aid !} but that needs to be taken with a pinch of salt ~ after all, a piano is classified as a percussion instrument. But hardly anyone regards a pianist as a percussionist.
Poisons can be consumed in tiny amounts and you can {like my uncle Willy with his 'Ogogoro'} live to be over 100.
I think its just the nature of the business Grim, especially with touring. So many pressures and temptation. I once did a 12 date tour in the UK with my little band and it was just exhausting. Drink after drink, night after night. I could not function as I had the DT's so I had to drink again just to perform even though I did not really want to drink any more. At the end I went home and detoxed in my room with ice cream, fruit, mineral water, sleeping pills and a TV for 3 days.But isn't that true of any lethal substance ?
I don't know about that. In England for many years, registered heroin addicts have been prescribed heroin by and from a doctor. Rarely are they advertised as paragons of bountiful health.
I'm glad to hear that !
It's a risk I'm not prepared to take.....because I don't believe it is true.
Nevertheless, I'm glad that David Crosby managed to kick his drug problems and managed many years of sobriety. It's unavoidable when one has an interest in 20th & 21st century popular music and its attendant culture, but I hate hearing about drug-sodden wrecks.
Dude, nobody drinks anymore. Put that shit down, its friggin poison.. Drink after drink, night after night. I could not function as I had the DT's so I had to drink again just to perform even though I did not really want to drink any more.
I think its just the nature of the business Grim, especially with touring. So many pressures and temptation. I once did a 12 date tour in the UK with my little band and it was just exhausting. Drink after drink, night after night. I could not function as I had the DT's so I had to drink again just to perform even though I did not really want to drink any more. At the end I went home and detoxed in my room with ice cream, fruit, mineral water, sleeping pills and a TV for 3 days.
I told the guys that I would never do more than 2 consecutive gigs after that.
I cant imagine what it must be like for some of these famous bands doing a 50 date world tour.
I feel that too. It's a hard thing to do unless one is really ready to make a change...It seems you are crying out for help to us on this forum.
Please. Go to AA , start doing meetings, get a sponsor, and get your problem under control.
Basically you should never drink or do any drugs if that was the case - if you had the DTs after a few days of drinking then you must be drinking lot more than you are telling us - or you are extremely addictive - it's nigh impossible to get the DTs after only a week- either way seek help now - don't argue about it or give yourself a break - just go now!I think its just the nature of the business Grim, especially with touring. So many pressures and temptation. I once did a 12 date tour in the UK with my little band and it was just exhausting. Drink after drink, night after night. I could not function as I had the DT's so I had to drink again just to perform even though I did not really want to drink any more. At the end I went home and detoxed in my room with ice cream, fruit, mineral water, sleeping pills and a TV for 3 days.
I told the guys that I would never do more than 2 consecutive gigs after that.
I cant imagine what it must be like for some of these famous bands doing a 50 date world tour.
It's funny how some of the English papers are referring to Top as a bandmate of Jeff Beck. He wasn't even a bandmate of Eric Clapton !![]()
‘Top’ Topham, First Lead Guitarist With The Yardbirds, Dies At 75
'Top' Topham, co-founding first lead guitarist with the Yardbirds, has died at 75, soon after the death of one of his successors, Jeff Beck.www.udiscovermusic.com
I'm going on two and a half years sober and i was a FUCKING HOT MESS. The single best decision I have ever made was to get clean and sober. It saved my life. You can DM me about it any time if you'd like to talk.I think its just the nature of the business Grim, especially with touring. So many pressures and temptation. I once did a 12 date tour in the UK with my little band and it was just exhausting. Drink after drink, night after night. I could not function as I had the DT's so I had to drink again just to perform even though I did not really want to drink any more. At the end I went home and detoxed in my room with ice cream, fruit, mineral water, sleeping pills and a TV for 3 days.
I told the guys that I would never do more than 2 consecutive gigs after that.
I cant imagine what it must be like for some of these famous bands doing a 50 date world tour.
ThanksI'm going on two and a half years sober and i was a FUCKING HOT MESS. The single best decision I have ever made was to get clean and sober. It saved my life. You can DM me about it any time if you'd like to talk.