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They have changed the specifications of the venerable NE5532.
Supply rating down from +&-22V to +&- 18V'
Slew rate now 5V/uSec
Input devices now NPN
Input protection diodes removed.
The OP AMP is now effectively the lesser, RC4558 chip OR! maybe it actual now IS just that?

All this done with no advanced warning and no change of specc sheets. There is a discussion about this over at www.soundonsound.com

Dave.
 
I don't know anything about this or why it is significant or notable. Short of asking AI - can you say why?
 
I don't know anything about this or why it is significant or notable. Short of asking AI - can you say why?
I tried to post this in the DIY section but for some reason I couldn't so I thought the "Analogue" chaps would be the next interested group?
The NE5532 has long been a staple device in high quality audio. I am sure our own Sweetbeats can reel off a dozen machines and mixers that use them? Any change in their ratings could have a profound effect on the performance of a lot of gear if replacements are needed. Many audio firms are still using this IC since its performance is still very,very good at a very competitive price.

Dave
 
Dave if data sheets at places like Mouser or Digikey reflect this change then honestly I’d just reach out to a support tech with either vendor and ask. It will need to go through steps to be elevated, but the question itself should drive the elevation. FWIW I’ve seen a variety ratings for the 5532 over the years…depending on the manufacturer the max input power, for instance, has ranged from +/-18V to +/-22V for decades. So I’m not surprised to see that. What I am surprised to read here is that the TI spec is now +/-18V. I’ve not looked into this or read anymore about it other than what I’ve read in this thread so I know nothing. It’s possible TI is no longer manufacturing them and they are sourcing them overseas and using parts that have the lower spec; complete conjecture on my part. But JRC parts, for instance, were always +/-18V. I know there are other crucial differences you cited, I’m just focusing on that one for an example. I’ve always leaned toward TI-branded parts when needing to replace like for like because I’ve found them to perform better than the JRC parts.
 
Dave if data sheets at places like Mouser or Digikey reflect this change then honestly I’d just reach out to a support tech with either vendor and ask. It will need to go through steps to be elevated, but the question itself should drive the elevation. FWIW I’ve seen a variety ratings for the 5532 over the years…depending on the manufacturer the max input power, for instance, has ranged from +/-18V to +/-22V for decades. So I’m not surprised to see that. What I am surprised to read here is that the TI spec is now +/-18V. I’ve not looked into this or read anymore about it other than what I’ve read in this thread so I know nothing. It’s possible TI is no longer manufacturing them and they are sourcing them overseas and using parts that have the lower spec; complete conjecture on my part. But JRC parts, for instance, were always +/-18V. I know there are other crucial differences you cited, I’m just focusing on that one for an example. I’ve always leaned toward TI-branded parts when needing to replace like for like because I’ve found them to perform better than the JRC parts.
Hi Sweetbeats, this...https://www.headphonesty.com/2026/07/industry-trusted-op-amp-rebuilt-boards-failing/?utm_source=fb&utm_campaign=comment
is just one of several links in the thread that might shed some light?

Dave.
 
I have about 20+ 5532s left over but I have moved mostly to OPA series SOIC preamp IC's on 'breakout' boards as TI has been building and improving on this newer design for some time and the spec's are technically 'better' than the best of the 5532. I recommend giving them a shot to anyone looking to compete sound wise with the older designs.
 

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I have about 20+ 5532s left over but I have moved mostly to OPA series SOIC preamp IC's on 'breakout' boards as TI has been building and improving on this newer design for some time and the spec's are technically 'better' than the best of the 5532. I recommend giving them a shot to anyone looking to compete sound wise with the older designs.
Do you know if the "OPAs" are electrical drop ins for the NEs? Any stability issues for instance?

Dave.
 
Do you know if the "OPAs" are electrical drop ins for the NEs? Any stability issues for instance?

Dave.
I'm afraid I can't answer that one directly as I haven't yet tried replacing one with the other, though it's on my list of things to try!
I can tell you that the pinout is the same and the input and output impedeneces are comparable but the speed of the newer designs' slew rate does mean dc decoupling is critical to prevent oscillation issues. The bandwidth of the newer chips is much greater, the offset is lower but AFAIK the new stuff is all SOIC/SMT so a breakout board is needed to use with a through hole PCB. I have been using these:
https://www.amazon.com/Sscon-100pcs...=true&qid=1785082109&s=amazon-pharmacy&sr=1-2
 
And you would still need to test in circuit. The offset spec may be lower on paper, but that doesn’t mean the more modern part will be happy in the circuit as a whole and you may see a dramatic rise in offset when installed.

And +1 in general to the reply above…there isn’t a way to know of compatibility without trying it out…it’s a bit of a crap-shoot whether or not JFET-based parts can be swapped in for BJT-based parts and vice-versa…it all depends on the parts and overarching circuit design. I’m sure people much smarter than I could look at the schematic and data sheets and make an informed prediction, but commoners like me “get out the hammer” and just measure, swap in the replacement part and measure again; offset, distortion, square wave response, and most importantly, ears. Always helpful if there are multiple channels with the same circuit so you can A/B and compare stock vs modified in real time. The majority of the time, not vast majority but a majority, I end up preferring the stock circuit. I find better gains in (if we are talking about 30-40 year old gear) a recap with modern parts including the power supply; often better noise floor gains and better clarity gains depending on the age of the device and quality of the caps than changing opamps…YMMV. But often times the “faster” parts sound more harsh or sharp to me. And we talk an awful lot about the slew rate for a given opamp, but we never talk about the system slew…how responsive the entire signal path is from input to output and to your ears. That’s what you really hear. So a faster opamp here and there is going to have diminishing impact on the system slew. So this is all a mix of factual information and my own opinions and preferences, and, again, YMMV…your ears are different than mine. But I can affirmatively speak to my own experiences messing with opamp changes in a variety of devices and stations in a signal path, and, again, the majority of the time I prefer the stock component. And measuring is crucial. I have done this in circumstances where a certain change was highly recommended…reported to sound “awesome” etc., but there was no quantitative analysis. And I measured and found the output offset of the substitute opamp was 200mV vs the stock part at 20mV in circuit, which is still a bit on the high side but not unusual. But 10x that? No. The part is not happy. Unsuccessful modification.

So…there’s more that nobody asked for. I just think it’s wise to be mindful and intentional when “chasin’ them there waterfalls.”

I still maintain the 553x opamp is still decent on paper, and, generally-speaking, “musical” in circuit. It is the choice in high-zoot designs spanning well into the 2000s by very respected companies. PDG for a part originally released in 1979! My Studer console uses them in the hybrid opamp/transformer output stages (which sound *great*), and the 5534 is used in the mic amp. Neither the mic amp or output drivers are anything akin to garden variety. And my console was introduced in the mid-late 1990s and production ran into the early 2000s…maybe 2003? Other parts used include 33078, DRV134, and SSM2142…these are not cheap parts. They also used the humble TL072, which is maybe one of the most highly utilized audio ICs. Why? It does a good job, and is so popular it is cheap. But it does a good job especially in a well-designed circuit. So what I see in my Studer console is strategic use of particular parts for particular stages…very mindful design…and a low-compromise commitment to quality. And these humble parts (5532/5534, TL072), are used right alongside hi-pro parts. So you have to ask yourself is it more important to have $$$ parts everywhere, or to know where they are necessary/most beneficial?

Things to think about.
 
I would certainly advise against swapping bifet and bipolar op amps willy-nilly but since neither the NEs nor the OPAs are FET input, the question does not arise in this case.
My purpose in posting the original information was just FYI and to point up the fact that TI have de-rated the chips on the QT. I, (and others at SoS) think this will cause problems for audio manufacturers and where op amps need to be replaced. I was not alluding to the "better op amp" swap out idea. I do not think there is any objective data that shows one chip "sounds" better than another IF the circuit is properly optimized? But, people will hear what people will hear. On the point about "speed", only the venerable 741 has a poor enough slew rate to matter, just about everything else is quick enough up to around 20kHz.
For sure, care must be taken to ensure a particular circuit works properly with a different device. My query was again just asking if anything was known. As it turns out it wasn't, yet.

Dave.
 
Oh I understand that, Dave…I think my droning was triggered by your post asking if the referenced OPA parts were drop-ins for the 5532 parts. That’s all…and not really directed at you or anybody…just carrying on as intended to do. Thanks.
 
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