Testing tubes via bias adjust tool ?

FrankD77

FrankD77

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I have a bias adjust tool on its way.
4 sensors you place under the tubes.
I have a few amps i have my doubt about the tubes.

Is the bias adjust tool also able to test the tubes via the read out? Or is that a wrong conclusion.
A separate tester is very expensive.
 
Most of these simply measure the current in the cathode line - which with some designs that use a pair of tubes to manage both halves of the full cycle enable you to tweak so the zero point remains balanced. I don't think this has any reliable link to tube gain which is what falls off. If you have a plug in valve tester that you plonk them in, this tests performance, assuming you preset them for the correct type - but the plug in bias tools usually have 2 or 4 plug/sockets on cables so they test the tubes operating in circuit - testers test externally with calibrated settings for all the internal grids and screens - which might not actually be used in every amp design. A good analogy would be the bias is an old car's distributor timing and the tester is a cylinder compression test with exhaust gas monitoring
 
What do you think you want to know about the valves Frank and do you have a lot of them to sort?
As Rob says, those bias testers just measure the voltage across an inserted cathode resistor, invariably one Ohm which means mV become mAs.
That allows you to set the cathode current by adjusting the bias voltage but (Rob again) tells you nothing about the 'quality' of the valve. Even if you find you cannot set the bias to the maker's value that does not mean the valve is a dud. I have had to mod bias circuits because they had too little range (both ways) But setting Ik does not tell you the dissipation of the anode (Pa). You need the anode voltage for that. To be totally accurate for Pa you should extract the G2 current from I k but since guitar amps should never be biased hotter than about 60% of the maximum value, that hardly matters.

You could of course check Ik at various bias voltages and get a family of Ik/Vg curves the slope of which will give you a ball park figure for 'mu' but since the AF amplification of any valve stage is more complex than simply mu not a lot of point? Have you delved into valve theory? The three, integrated parameters (for a triode) are mu, gm and ra. That is anode voltage change for grid voltage change with an infinite anode load. Mutual conductance and anode slope resistance. The last two are determined to an extant by circuit design and change with age. Mu is fixed by the mechanical spacing of electrodes so is not affected at all. (there are valves with a mu of 1000+!)
Pentodes and beam tetrodes are of course more complicated by the presence of the two extra grids.

If you want to check a rake of valves the best solution is a "test chassis" an old 50W say amp that you can bodge with sockets to check cathode, anode, G2 and bias voltages plus a dummy load and a sine signal sources to test AC gain. The analogue meters you get from car parts shops are quite good enough for the purpose (mains V won't be stable anyway!) Buy several.

OF COURSE!! To construct and use such a thing you must be well up on HV safety procedures!

Dave.
 
ahum
I think I'll just stick to the new tubes i ordered and the bias adjust tool and if i have a collection of used tubes I'll ask someone who knows a lot more.

We've run a PC shop for 25+ years and i have no problem with opening up gear or doing calibrations on CRTs with a screwdriver but for tube amps I have the deepest respect and I'll keep it to the bias ;)

Thanks for the explanation.
 
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