Armistice
Son of Yoda
Yeah, had that thought myself when I was listening last night. Might knock it down a db or two in the final adjustments. Thanks for the tip!
Yeah, had that thought myself when I was listening last night. Might knock it down a db or two in the final adjustments. Thanks for the tip!
Armistice
Son of Yoda
brassplyer
Well-known member
Good job.
Isn't there a fine for posting something creative and uplifting in the Cave?
Isn't there a fine for posting something creative and uplifting in the Cave?
Armistice
Son of Yoda
dobro
Well-known member
robgreen
no face
Very nice indeed Armistice - sounds like there's a helluva lot of work that's gone into this. Made me think of Crosby, Stills & Nash a bit which isn't necessarily something that's come to mind when I've heard your stuff before. I saw there was a link to an earlier version in the similar threads below, but the link was dead - I'm guessing that one had your previous partner leading on the vocals?
Lots of great interplay between the lead vocals and the harmonies and also between the various guitar parts.
I listened a few times and the only thing I picked up in terms of nits was a couple of drum fills that didn't quite hit the right spots - eg at 0:20. Actually, listening back that's the only one I can hear right now
Lots of great interplay between the lead vocals and the harmonies and also between the various guitar parts.
I listened a few times and the only thing I picked up in terms of nits was a couple of drum fills that didn't quite hit the right spots - eg at 0:20. Actually, listening back that's the only one I can hear right now
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Very nice indeed Armistice - sounds like there's a helluva lot of work that's gone into this. Made me think of Crosby, Stills & Nash a bit which isn't necessarily something that's come to mind when I've heard your stuff before. I saw there was a link to an earlier version in the similar threads below, but the link was dead - I'm guessing that one had your previous partner leading on the vocals?
Lots of great interplay between the lead vocals and the harmonies and also between the various guitar parts.
I listened a few times and the only thing I picked up in terms of nits was a couple of drum fills that didn't quite hit the right spots - eg at 0:20. Actually, listening back that's the only one I can hear right now
Hey, thanks Rob. Funny thing is, I don't know that I've ever even heard a CSNY song, although obviously I know who they are.. they weren't big in Australia.
Hmm... I'll check out the fill at 0.20 - I've just done another mix (although I haven't put it up yet) to discover on my home stereo that I've just overcooked the snare a little... burning lots of CD coasters on this one. Sigh. Back to the desk...
The only other version of this song was a couple of years back and a very crappy recording, but yes, featuring the other dude. Where did you find the link?
Thanks for listening...
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
First off, I will say that I think the song is great.
You could go around in circles, trying to find the right snare. I'm not sure you ever will find the perfect fit for the song within your drum program.
But, you may be able to layer in some other samples to give it some body. I'm not hearing that the snare is bad, just not having the depth that it needs for the tune.
Send me the snare track solo'd, and I can send you back a few different samples from SS Trigger Plat Deluxe. Maybe you could just support the snare with some 'thickerer' samples. I just made up a new word. lol
You could go around in circles, trying to find the right snare. I'm not sure you ever will find the perfect fit for the song within your drum program.
But, you may be able to layer in some other samples to give it some body. I'm not hearing that the snare is bad, just not having the depth that it needs for the tune.
Send me the snare track solo'd, and I can send you back a few different samples from SS Trigger Plat Deluxe. Maybe you could just support the snare with some 'thickerer' samples. I just made up a new word. lol
rayc
retroreprobate
Man, I completely missed the whole Exhumed thing. I did watch your vid again tonight when I discovered I'm missed the who shebang. Cool flick even now. Which is you?
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Jeez.. you have been doing your research Ray.... I'd forgotten all about that. I'm the singer, and slightly shorter person (and I'm 6'2") in that tune - Damaged - one of mine. To this date our only video, although I had a thought as to how to do a Tears And Mascara video and did a lot of prep for it a while back, so maybe I can dig that out and get it started...
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Hey Jimmy, I'm not sure that I can... the way it's set up is that most of the snare sound is captured through the "room" and "overhead" channels, with only a bit of sound coming via the "snare" channel. It's a constant battle to get decent sounds from it, because (to my ears) all the snares through the snare channel absolutely take your head of with body and so I end up getting most of the slap from the room in particular. I've been playing with it a bit more tonight and I've definitely got a bit more body happening as I had an EQ filter on it set too high and that was filtering a bit too much body out, so I've set that lower and it's sounding beefier.
I haven't posted it and it's late now so I'm not going to tonight, but I'll have another crack tomorrow night. I'll PM you when I'm done and perhaps you can have another listen.
If it's not a definite improvement I'll send you the snare track and you can see what you can do. There's lots of little grace notes and shit happening, it's just the main hits that would need to be thickerer! Thanks for the help. Appreciate the offer.
Cheers
VomitHatSteve
Hat STYLE. Not contents.
6 pages of comments? That'll teach me not to log in over the weekend.
I haven't read most of the feedback, but here's what stuck out to me: The guitar lead at the very beginning is really quiet; I though maybe that I had a second song going simultaneously or something.
There seemed to be some weird vocal distortion on "Noah's mistake."
The "Better luck next times" are a bit loud and up front.
Otherwise, it's a really solid mix. Mellow and lovely.
I haven't read most of the feedback, but here's what stuck out to me: The guitar lead at the very beginning is really quiet; I though maybe that I had a second song going simultaneously or something.
There seemed to be some weird vocal distortion on "Noah's mistake."
The "Better luck next times" are a bit loud and up front.
Otherwise, it's a really solid mix. Mellow and lovely.
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Thanks for listening VHS...
It's funny how people are picking up on decisions I've (probably wrongly) made in the mix. That first bit... yeah... I turned it down a touch because I wasn't in love with the line, but I've cranked it back up a touch now. Had a close listen to Noah's mistake and I think that harshness is just my voice.. there's nothing on it that's causing it that I can see. I'll have a better listen tonight as I'm just off to work now..
Also turned the better lucks down a touch at the end...
Thanks for the feedback.
And I finally have the snare at about the correct level and I'm not wincing any more, so that's a good thing...
Mick Doobie
Maderator
Listened to this the other day, on the 2nd time through got called away, so didn't get a chance to comment.
This is really good. The only nit, as has been noted, is the snare. But even at that it isn't bad. You do a heluva job programming...been there, it's a lot of work. Not that i'm anywhere as accomplished or in any position to make suggestions....
Have you ever tried 2 snares? Dial up one kind of dark, almost too dark, then double/copy the track to add another on the bottom head for a bit of a snap?
Actually, that's probably me seeking advice as much as anything.
This almost sounds like a live performance in an intimate sound stage setting. Fine songwriting performed well. Nice work.
This is really good. The only nit, as has been noted, is the snare. But even at that it isn't bad. You do a heluva job programming...been there, it's a lot of work. Not that i'm anywhere as accomplished or in any position to make suggestions....
Have you ever tried 2 snares? Dial up one kind of dark, almost too dark, then double/copy the track to add another on the bottom head for a bit of a snap?
Actually, that's probably me seeking advice as much as anything.
This almost sounds like a live performance in an intimate sound stage setting. Fine songwriting performed well. Nice work.
Chili
Site Moderator
I don't remember the details from v1. I know the snare needed replacing and I think this one you've got now works nicely. Still a few stand-outs, but you mentioned those and it's just a bit of editing and tweaking.
You know you've got this David Bowie thing going on. Has anyone ever mentioned that before?? especially the Panda Girl/China Girl subtle reference. I know this song sounds nothing like China Girl, but it keeps popping in my head when I hear it.
You know you've got this David Bowie thing going on. Has anyone ever mentioned that before?? especially the Panda Girl/China Girl subtle reference. I know this song sounds nothing like China Girl, but it keeps popping in my head when I hear it.
That's a great line!!
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Hi Mick, thanks for the feedback. Glad you liked it. Yeah, it's a time-consuming pain to program to this level, but it just sounds crap-o if you don't, I reckon.
I'm considering adding another snare - Jimmy mentioned something similar above... I might have a go tonight. Never tried it before I guess I just add another instance of the drum program, delete all the individual tracks then copy the midi file and delete everything that's not a snare... can't be too hard - but I'm almost happy with it as it is.. not quite...
Cheers
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Hi Chili... no, hadn't thought of the China Girl/Bowie thing... I just made up panda girl years ago... can't even remember when. At least I think I did... or perhaps I lifted it from someone else, but if so I don't remember doing so..
Yes, getting close, and getting over it too... seems to be the last 5% that takes up 50% of the time. Such is life I guess....
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Hey man, this is a great song. Engaging lyrics, beautiful guitar work....it's got ALOT going for it. As mentioned, the drums might have a few problems. The big issue for me is not the sample or tone of the snare but where the snare hits are falling...gives it a kind of disconnected lurchy feel, especially with the snare being so high n dry. That might be what you're going for, in which case that's fine....but to my ears, such a smooth song with such subtle development wants a more organic drum part. Again though, this is a really nice song.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Not to be a prick but you guys know Iggy Pop wrote that song, right?
Glad someone brought that point up. I wasn't sure, so didn't say anything.