tascam dm3200 ?

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I also have the UA 2192 and love it. What Albert says is pretty much right on. It almost does "feel analog". It still has the depth, clarity and extension that the other good converters do, but it also kind of has a gentle "smoothness" to it. One of the other reasons I prchased a 2192 is that in addition to being both A/D and D/A, it has 4 word clock outs so can also be used as a master clock. As a master clcok it makes a huge difference. When I clock my outboard HD recorder to it there is a noticable difference in the resulting tracks. It's not the kind of thing you necessarily hear the second you run a track, but the second you start mixing the tracks it pops out pretty quickly. Tracks find their pockets easier, the usable image gets much wider (and more natural) and reverbs especially get much deeper depth to them.
 
xstatic said:
One of the other reasons I prchased a 2192 is that in addition to being both A/D and D/A, it has 4 word clock outs so can also be used as a master clock.
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Yep, that's another thing that had me interested.

I do a lot of video work as well as audio. One might be supriesed to find out that I currently have no "house black" or master clocking of any kind. Quite frankly I have not really needed it; I've been able to get very good multitrack A/V sync in my NLEs (Vegas and Nuendo) without it, and the level of my audio gear has been such whereas the fine polishing and jitter removal of accurate clock sync is far from the weakest link in my chain.

But come re-fit time I feel (hope) that at least some of my signal paths will be good enough where the quality audio improvements that xstatic mentions that come with clocking will be worthwhile.

KT, you PM'd me asking about preamp recommendations, but you did not mention anything about price range or your microphone selection or any of that. It's hard to make specific recommendations without considering those variables along with it. It would be easy to say get yourself a really nice GML or Manley (and get one for me while you're at it :D ), but that's assuming you have Big Boy pockets :). While I'd like to have something along those lines myself, I probably can't afford to pay as much for two channels of preamp as I'm paying for my entire mixer/DAW controller. However, there is some stuff from the likes of Apogee and Focusrite and companies like that that might make a nice jump from the Tascam pres without selling my financial soul to the devil. (Oh, and BTW, though you say we were born 6 days apart, it's actually more like 25 years and 6 days apart. :D)

G.
 
Southside, the 2192 does not have a black burst input, if that makes a difference to you.
 
SonicAlbert said:
Southside, the 2192 does not have a black burst input, if that makes a difference to you.
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Yeah, I haven't figured out if that makes a difference to me yet or not :rolleyes: .

This next re-model is going to be 98% audio-centric; I'd love to get some new cameras, a couple of *real* Steadi-cam harnesses instead of homemade "steady-cam" rigs, and stuff like that, but I'm scrapping and sweating just to save up for the audio side, so it's one thing at a time.

At the same time it'd be nice to plan for the future and not waste money on gear now that would be obsoleted or inappropriate when I upgrade on the video side.

At this moment I'm liking the UA enough just based on your guys' description of the audio performance. It's lock to clock would be real gravy on top of that, just for the audio. That it's not house black or a SMPTE generator? While that would be great, I'm not convinced that's a deal-breaker. I'm looking at this as a converter first and foremost. But I'm not done thinking about it yet.

G.
 
hahahaha

good one glen, ok so i heard things bout clock and stuff would the rme card suffice as the master or vice versa with mixer, or do i have to get one of those lucid clock generators. Honestly i dont know anything bout word clock and have never used spdif in my life. Which focusrite would u reccommend.
 
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A Lucid would definately do better than the RME, and most likely the Tascam as well. The good news is that you can find used Lucid's for pretty cheap nowadays. The bad news is that $2000 is still a pretty good price for a UA 2192.
 
My experience is that the Lucid GenX clock is better than that on the Tascam. It made a noticibale difference to the convertors (to my ears at least). A really good investment.


xstatic said:
A Lucid would definately do better than the RME, and most likely the Tascam as well. The good news is that you can find used Lucid's for pretty cheap nowadays. The bad news is that $2000 is still a pretty good price for a UA 2192.
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Southside, you need something like this:

http://www.antelopeaudio.com/en/products_iso_ocxv.html

It's a master clock, the converter you'd buy separately. Interestingly, the OCX-V also has a black burst generator, which can be locked to audio clock. Or you'd lock the 2192 to the OCX-V. The OCX-V looks like a great unit for a studio that combines digital audio and video.
 
SonicAlbert said:
Southside, you need something like this:

http://www.antelopeaudio.com/en/products_iso_ocxv.html

It's a master clock, the converter you'd buy separately. Interestingly, the OCX-V also has a black burst generator, which can be locked to audio clock. Or you'd lock the 2192 to the OCX-V. The OCX-V looks like a great unit for a studio that combines digital audio and video.
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I need a very rich relative with a terminal desease is what I really need :p .

Yeah, that Antelope looks to be a very nice unit.

What I haven't yet decided is just how far I want/need to go on the video end of it, at least in the short term; i.e. black burst, while nice, may not be anything close to a necessity to me unless/until I decide to expand the scope of my video work into more commercial freelancing. I'm not sure about that at this time; my main plan on the forseeable video horizon (beyond the smaller consumer/prosumer editing and producing) is an upcoming independant docu-movie that will be something like a 2-year part-time project starting hopefully later this summer. For that project, my current video suite is quite adequate. Beyond that? ???

It's a question of how far ahead I want to plan with my next round of purchases. Always a tough call with this stuff; trying to find the right balance of leading the target when it comes to anticipating needs vs. the rapid rate of technological obscelesnce.

Assuming for the moment I wasn't concerned about the video black issue in my next round (which is how I'm currently leaning 60-40), as far as choice of audio converter, I have been mostly considering the Apogee Rosetta series for my converison, with a curious eye at the UA. Something like the Rosetta 800 is just a couple of hundred more than the UA, but it gives both 8 channels of conversion and clocking in one box. It probably doesn't have that "analog sound" you guys like about the UA, but it's converters are certainly by repuation no slouches either.

However, that UA has been seducing me for a while now, and the way you guys describe it's sound makes it that much more siren-like. But I'd be sacrificing certain cost and capacity to get that sound. Still debating...

G.
 
AHHHHHHHH too resurrect a dead thread (cracks bones).....

So after the trials, ive sold my HD system and im eyeing this board myself. My rig is 9652 also and adi-2, and using nuendo. I wanted to route all 24 channels to the dm and the spdif of the dm to my adi-2 for i guess a cleaner output i guess. But ive read their clean so thats not a problem, just looking for honest reviews AND rants. The pc is old but it still kicks ass and i have 5 fav plugs i stick too so im not congested, looking at a uad one and say the hell with it so the pc is the tape/edit. Any new words of enlightment b4 i blow 3,000$ hahaha!
 
P. Rene said:
AHHHHHHHH too resurrect a dead thread (cracks bones).....

So after the trials, ive sold my HD system and im eyeing this board myself. My rig is 9652 also and adi-2, and using nuendo. I wanted to route all 24 channels to the dm and the spdif of the dm to my adi-2 for i guess a cleaner output i guess. But ive read their clean so thats not a problem, just looking for honest reviews AND rants. The pc is old but it still kicks ass and i have 5 fav plugs i stick too so im not congested, looking at a uad one and say the hell with it so the pc is the tape/edit. Any new words of enlightment b4 i blow 3,000$ hahaha!
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Here's a recent review from Steve La cerra at Mix magazine:

http://mixonline.com/products/review/audio_tascam_dm_digital_2/

Also note, that Tascam has just come out with a DM-4800 as well, a 64-channel big brother version of the 3200 for two grand more that has my drool drooling :P. They still have the 3200 as well, and by this review it sounds good.

G.
 
cool, very very cool. But that thing looks like its pretty darn big.
 
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