Tascam 424/414 help

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Hi,
I am intersested in buying a tascam 414 mkII or a Tascam 424 mkIII. I would like to know what is the L buss and R buss functions on the 424, what do they do etc, for the mono channels on the unit. And also are the 414's 4 inputs stereo or are some mono?
Thanks
 
Also how many stereo and how many mono tracks does the 424 mkIII have?
Thanks
 
The L/R Buss sends channels left or right, depending on which way you pan them. If you wanted to record a drum kit with three mics onto one track you'd plug the mics in, set the record ready switch for that track to L/R and then pan the channels either fully left (for tracks 1 &/ 3) or fully right (for tracks 2 &/ 4). You can also record to a left-right pair of tracks simply by arming two tracks (say, 1 & 2) and then panning the mics to wherever you want the instrument to appear on the soundstage.

If you use a single track in L/R mode you can use direct recording to record on the remaining tracks, so long as you pan them to the opposite side of the soundstage. This only works with the mono channels on the 414 and 424 though.

As for your second question. The 424 has 4 mono tracks and no more.
 
Well actually I was talking about the 424 mkIII which i thought has 2 mono and 4 stereo tracks, well thats what the description says and I just wanted to make sure?
 
Oh wait am I saying the wrong thing here? It says 4 stereo CHANNELS and 2 mono channels not tracks. Sorry bout that, but still is that info right?
 
Is it definitely the MkIII? :confused:

Because if you take a look at the hi-res image you'll see that it's most assuredly 6 mono channels and 1 stereo.

See!
 
So if you some how copied one track to another one you could get a stereo sound? And then have 4 stereo tracks?
 
No. If you copied ONE track to ANOTHER track you'd have two mono versions of the same track. The second of which would be a copy of the first. :p
 
Yes but if you copied them and panned one L and one R it'd be stereo wouldnt it? Is it possible to copy from track to track?
 
Or what if you put the pan knob in the middle would sound come from both ears then? I'm so confused
 
Tmitch said:
Or what if you put the pan knob in the middle would sound come from both ears then? I'm so confused

It can be confusing.

The Tascam is like a normal tape deck, which is a stereo tape deck. What makes the Tascam a 4-track is that it basically plays both sides of the tape at the same time. When you play a "store-bought" tape, the side B will sound backwards.

So, you have two mono tracks on side one, or one stereo track. Think of stereo as using two mics, left and right. You can record guitar on one mono track and play back on the left, right or middle. It wont be "stereo" if you use just one mic.
 
To put it another way (and with illustrations), a standard domestic cassette deck has two MONO tracks on each side: With one track being for the left side of the stereo picture and the other for the right (the middle uses both equally).

Thus

1 -->-->-->-->-->
2 -->-->-->-->-->
2 <--<--<--<--<--
1 <--<--<--<--<--

Which is why you have to turn the cassette over to listen to/record on the other two tracks.

A four track, on the other hand, can play/record all four tracks at once (well, the better ones can).

Thus

1 -->-->-->-->-->
2 -->-->-->-->-->
3 -->-->-->-->-->
4 -->-->-->-->-->

But they're still four MONO tracks.

In order to achieve true stereo you need to utilize an odd and an even track TOGETHER when recording. Simply copying one track to another will not give you stereo. And putting it in the middle is just centre panned mono.

If you're desperate to have something in stereo (drums, say), the best way to go about it would be to record them on two tracks of the 424 (along with, say, bass and rhythm guitar on the two remaining tracks), then bounce all the tracks to a second recorder, and then bounce them back to two tracks of a fresh tape in the four track. You can then add another guitar and a vocal to the two empty tracks.

The best second deck would be either your PC, a standalone CD RW, a DAT player, a Minidisc player or a 2 track reel to reel. A normal cassette deck would be way down on the list.
 
Ok I think I've got that clear, I dont really mind as long as sound comes from both sides, is that right? Oh and con the 424 mkIII and 414 mkII can you listen to tracks which have already been recorded whilst recording another on top? (through headophones)
Thanks
 
Yes...

you can. It is called multi-tracking, and to record a new track you must hear the recorded tracks simultaneously.
 
You can listen to tracks that have already been recorded whilst recording on an empty track by:

A: Setting the Monitor Select switch to L/R
B: Setting the Effect - Effect 2/Cue - Off switch to Effect 2/Cue
C: Setting the Effect 2 - Tape Cue switch to Tape Cue
D: Turning the Effect 2/Tape Cue controls in the appropriate channels up
E: Turning the Level control up.
 
I've seen a Tascam 424 mkII on eBay would this be good for my own ideas and possibly a band demo? I would like to have 2 guitars, drums, bass and vocals. Does this mean I would have to bounce, and what quality would it be? Also again would I be able to listen to recorded tracks through headphones while recording another? Which in your opinion would be better the 424 mkII or 424 mkIII?
 
Yes. You'd have to bounce. But if you take care (or bounce externally) then the quality shouldn't suffer too much.

As for which is a better choice between the MKII and the MKIII, it depends on what the maximum number of mics/instruments you think you'll use in one go is.
 
So what would be better the mkII or mkIII? What are the advantages/disadvantages?
 
The MKII has four Mic/Line inputs. The MKIII has six

Other than that they're practically the same machine (though I'm not sure if the MKII has XLRs, I do know the MKIII does).
 
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