Tannoy Reveals + bass problem

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I have a pair of Tannoy Reveal actives set up in my bedroom.

From what I've heard they're decent speakers, howerver i seem to have a problem in the 100-200Hz area. I was convinced that the problem was with the room until I recently got two fairly large absorbers in, that didn't really change it at all.

The speakers are not entirely decoupled from the desk, but I've put blue tack underneath them to provide some isolation (one big blob in each corner)

Are these speakers known to be messy in the low end at all?

At the moment I can't even make a fairly decent mix, as the low end is just all over the place
 
What kind of absorbers you get? And two might not be enough...
 
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Are the panels in the corners? That's where all the bass builds up...
 
it's mostly the room (yes, it is)
but probably the tannoys don't help.
i have a pair and they're fine when you get used to them.
 
at the moment they are placed so that they cancel the reflections of the side walls. I've also had them at the back wall, as well as one at the back wall and one behind the speakers
 
giraffe said:
it's mostly the room (yes, it is)
but probably the tannoys don't help.
i have a pair and they're fine when you get used to them.
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What do you do when you mix then? just ignore the horrible bass resonances? how do you tell what's wrong and what's right when most things sound wrong?

I've had them in the corners as well (in fact, they aren't far off the corners due to the size of the room.

I haven't tried them in the back corners though, as I have a door in one of them, and it wouldn't be very practical
 
Multiaudun said:
at the moment they are placed so that they cancel the reflections of the side walls. I've also had them at the back wall, as well as one at the back wall and one behind the speakers
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That's a great placement, but wont do much for bass. Place them across the corners to deal with bass.
 
pandamonk said:
That's a great placement, but wont do much for bass. Place them across the corners to deal with bass.
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Placing them in the corners did actually make some difference. The overall sound seems slightly brighter now, although that might just be me hearin it since it's what I'm expecting to hear.. The problem is still there, though
 
are the speakers too tight to the wall maybe or close to the corners as well... ive got a pir here and i lovem... and if anything the seem a little light in the bottom... i'm planning on a sub pretty soon...
 
Multiaudun said:
I recently got two fairly large absorbers in, that didn't really change it at all.
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Two bass traps is not enough for any room. Four is the minimum, and 16 is more like it for good results. A room has hundreds or even thousands of square feet of reflecting surface area, but most bass traps are only 8 square feet. Do the math. :D

--Ethan
 
dementedchord said:
are the speakers too tight to the wall maybe or close to the corners as well... ive got a pir here and i lovem... and if anything the seem a little light in the bottom... i'm planning on a sub pretty soon...
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Hmm. The thing is, they don't have too much low end in general to me. it's more like a peak/resonance in the 100-200Hz area (about 125 to my ears, but I might be wrong)

The corner of the speakers closest to the wall is about 25cm away from the wall, and the speakers are slightly under a meter from the corners. If the corners are causing the issue, I'm in luck, because I'm moving houses in 2 months time, and will get a much bigger room to mix in.
 
how big is your room, about 12*12 (ish)?

........ that's about how big mine is (12 * 11.5) and my bump is at about 150 (with as much absorbtion as i could afford)
 
Multiaudun said:
Hmm. The thing is, they don't have too much low end in general to me.
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Bass traps will help level out the response it the bass frequencies. When you have bass buildup, it not only causes peaks, but valleys. Sometimes HUGE valleys were the bass can almost drop out completely. You should try running some test tones and move around the room. You will be very surprised I think.
 
Ethan Winer said:
Two bass traps is not enough for any room. Four is the minimum, and 16 is more like it for good results. A room has hundreds or even thousands of square feet of reflecting surface area, but most bass traps are only 8 square feet. Do the math. :D

--Ethan
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Ethan is right. Two absorbers will hardly do shit. You need a trap in each corner and treatment on the sides, rear and ceiling of the mix position. Then you can bitch about the Tannoys :D
 
TexRoadkill said:
Ethan is right. Two absorbers will hardly do shit. You need a trap in each corner and treatment on the sides, rear and ceiling of the mix position. Then you can bitch about the Tannoys :D
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Sounds like a fair statement. Should I just get more absorbers, or are there other things that will work better?
 
You haven't given your room dimensions but in a smaller room with parallel walls, say less then 400 Sq Ft, you should probably stick to absorption. Sometimes diffusion is used on the back wall but you want a good 10ft or more behind you to go with that.

Stick a piece of 705 or equivalent in at least the four corners and put up some 703 or equivalent on the sides, ceiling and rear and that should give you a good start.
 
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