Takes One to Know One /alternitive to /Worlds Collide

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This is the alternitive to the "Words Collide "thread..I didnt realise at the time that the subject would be too close to the 11th disaster..Its too heavey a subject for a workshop type of song!Everybody has to deal with this in there own time!So Chazba threw out the idea of "Takes One To Know One" and I belive its a better choice!So as before lets try to use common form...V/C/V/C/Bridge/C....As always this is just for learning ect.
and practice puposes...Nobody has to worry that its not their Yesterday/Blowin in the Wind..Mine certainly won't be.. LOL..But it helps me to have a community of writers to share with..as I'm sure it helps others!There are some very creative people here of different likes and I like to think that I can learn from them!As always everybody wins!So lets try- "Takes One to Know One"-
As before the phrase "takes one to know one" can be used anywhere in the song ..verse/ chorus/ bridge..once or as the repeated hook..doesnt matter ! Gonna be fun!


Any style Rock,Pop,Relig,Metal,country ect.Form is the common V.C.V.C.B.C


Don
 
Ok ..I've got a verse and a chorus..Well sort of..I think that this is at least the outline of my idea anyway...I reserve the right to change everything..LOL..

Verse 1......
Were scared and runnin
Gotta stop...
look me in the eye
I can see your reasons
Theres no use in cryin
Down here in this place ..
darkness survives
I know how your feelin
Me and you aren't that
Far apart....

Chorus 1.....
It takes one to know one
It takes two to make it fall
It takes one to know one
Thats all......



Well thats as far as I got so far...Think that I'll stay with the storyline..Two disfuntional people trying to hold on to a relationship....Verse one seems like a second verse so I've got a ton of work ahead on this one.. My rhyming on the chorus is kinda so so .....I'm really scattered on my approch of this one!


Don
 
Hi Don....That's wierd....I started writing on a theme of disfunctional people being able to find each other too...also in a country vein. So far...
verse 1
I could tell when you walked in
It wasn't hard to see
The way you hid your smile when your eyes passed over me
The pain you tried to hide, but you wanted to come near
The shadow of regret and a tiny trace of tear
Chorus
It takes one to Know one
A broken heart will know
It takes one to know one
the loneliness will show
We can't fly too high on a bent and broken wing
But birds of a feather will find a way to sing
verse2
I watched you as you stood there, it didn't take too long
The jukebox started playin that broken hearted song
Your eyes showed the strength behind the year that had to fall
Tonight is for forgetting, Tomorrow way not come
repeat chorus
Bridge
Why....must it be our destiny
That every one.....must fall
New mercies ...in the morning
God's promise ...to us all Last verse hasn't shown up yet..C
 
Hey Chaz...Good stuff! Ya the country thing seems kinda natural me on this one also...Maybe some of the others folks will get religous vibe..Kinda were all sinners type of thing..Should be interesting !

Don
 
Hey guys,

I haven't been ignoring this thread. Looks like some good stuff in the making. I just don't have the time right now to dive in. I'm in the middle of writing for our next CD project and its asorbing me like a sponge. Its intresting though that both of your songs have a country flavor, because thats what this CD project is about. We normally do gospel in the gear of blues, southern rock, and contemporary with a touch of progressive country every now and then. This one is going to be all pro-country.

The song I'm presently working on is based on the scripture in the bible that says "What soever you do, do as unto the Lord".
So the story line goes, that every time I follow my heart to do something for others for the right reasons, it leads me to God.

If I get caught up a little I'll take a stab at your writing idea and post it. Till then I'll peek inside from time to time.

Later,

<><
George
 
Hey George..good to hear from ya! Good luck on your new CD project !Looking foward to your ideas on this thread in the future when you get the chance...


Don
 
Hi Don...Thanks for your comments. I will work on a final verse when the muse moves me. I lke your line "it takes two to make it fall" There's a whole song in just that one line!! I am working on a CD project for my wife Nancy and me. Currently finishing up a
lyric for Nancy to sing, from a piece of BACH, Adagio in Dmajor. I'm sure that you would recognize thw music if you heard it. She has a wonderful Lyric Soprano voice but she's never sung anything quite like this. Can't waitto hear it myself!!
I will be posting a few things when they are finished. The hardest thing to do is the voices. Friends are very encouraging but I am really hung up on getting it "just so". I think that's why people hire a professional producer, to make th tough calls when things start to slow down. Do you have anything out there for us all to listen to? You present as a mature insightful person and I am curious about your background
enough for now write-on chazba
 
Hey Chaz thanks for your kind words!Been writeing for about 20 years or so..Mostly just the music but for the last 5 or 6 lyrics also.Dam I find it alot harder than music..LOL..Where I grew up outside of Boston never had to play covers ..Dont know if its still like that anymore there.I've gotten close to a record deal or two but nothing ever happened..Dam Grunge..LOL. Right now I'm working on a album of stuff that I'm haveing fun with.I've been lucky to work with some great folks and I absorb like a sponge.So thats most of my experience..Produceing Vox is a real challenge..The key I belive.... is to get them as comfortable/confidant as possible!Also get them to belive that you are in there corner..Dont forget to smile keep it loose if they need it..Talk to them about the things the song is saying ,get on the same page..If its their lyrics.. They may have a cooler take on the lyrics than you..The most important thing to me and probobly you.. is the message of the tune.. sit down with them away from the "studio" have a coffee,beer and learn their take on the song or songs..Then you can help them get the best out of themselves..Everyone is different so how you do this is up to you..You will develope a style with every singer you work with..You can only get the best they got and with vox that can change from day to day..LOL..Just do the best you can get as much emotion out of them as possible and move on..Good luck
Also if you want I can snail mail you a vanity CD its pretty good{pro mastered/recorded} {the most resent thing that I've done}I did it not to long ago.E-mail me with your address and I'll send one off to you..Also its with a female singer

Don
 
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I've gotten a verse ,so I'll stick it up and see how it fits..It seems like a second verse so thats where I'll plant it!!Dam! I think I'm writeing this song backwards..LOL..Ever had to do that before? Well here it is.....
Verse.......................

Were fightin and liein
gotta stop...
got some words in..
that quiet conversation...
I keep tryin over here
This is the world of the diein..
You know how I'm feelin..
we gotta start our
broken hearts..
You and I


Chorus...........................

It takes one to know one
It takes two to make it fall
It takes one to know one
Thats all to make it fall..

Verse...............................

Were scared and runnin
gotta stop.....
look me in the eye..
I can see your reasons
theres no use in cryin..
down here in this place
darkness survives..
I know how you're feelin..
me and you aren't that
far apart....

Chorus............................

Takes one to know one
It takes two to make it fall
It takes one to know one
thats all to make it fall..

Well I've changed the chorus a little {last line}..Tryed to keep it simple..Kinda pop country thing so far...Took the "ings" and made them "ins" trying to keep the verbage simple..Ya it is a probobly too old fasioned for contemporary country.....Might be too poetic on the "darkness survives" but what the hell ,its the first country song that I've taken a stab at..LOL..Shania Twain ..God I love country music!

Don
 
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Hi Don....got your e-mail, looking forward to hearing your stuff.
I like the change, It scans better with the "ins"
Hey...you never know who reads his thread, you couls get lucky. I don't think ithat it's old-fashioned and even if it was, the pendulum will swing. the other way sooner or later
write0n...chazba
 
Well got a bridge! Finally!! So I'm gonna cram it in there and see how it flows....Verse 1


Were fighin and liein
gotta stop..
We got those words in..
That quiet conversation..
I keep tryin over here
This is the world of the diein..
you know how I'm feelin..
Gotta start our
broken hearts..
You and I

Chorus..............

Takes one to know one
Takes two to make it fall
Takes one to know one
Thats all to make it fall

Verse 2.............

Were scared and runnin
gotta stop....
Look me in the eye..
I can see your reasons..
Theres no use in cryin..
Down here in this place
only dakness survives..
I know how you're feelin..
Me and you arn't that
far apart

Chorus............

Takes one to know one
Takes two to make it fall
Takes one to know one
Thats all to make it fall

Bridge...............

I turn around and see you there..
Do you hope that I'll still care..
Hard to tell from how far we fell..
Baby its you and I...
Don't cry..

Chorus.........

Takes one to know one
Takes two to make it fall
Takes one to know one
Thats all to make it fall.........


I don't know if I outside far enough on the bridge !Well now I'v got to take this idea , go over it and find all the inconsistant things ,get this to flow!The story might need to be telegraphed better!Gonna fiddle with it some more..Might work on the chorus "out" a bit too..Now I need music for this should be pretty easy..3 chord 1/4//5 verse?.. maybe modulate on bridge?Chorus lets see ,that will be more difficult..But I will see it sooner or later...I hope ..LOL


Don
 
The Bridge

Hi Henri.and Everyone else tuned in....For a nice piece of ear-candy on the bridge, try modulating to a related key , that is, one that has some chords in common. For example, if you're in G, modulate to F for the bridge. It has C maj in common w/ G maj and can make for an easy transition. To get exotic try a mod to Eflat. Kinda adventurous but sometimes rewarding. If you're ready for some cheap thrills, change the V7 cord to a dim chord, like D7 changes to Cdim. This gives you 3 possible new keys which are F,B,and E maj's. Good luck getting back to Gmaj, that's where the cheap thrills come. lol All is assuming that you're in Gmaj. but will work in any key relatively.
write-on...chazba
 
Any takers? Ive since fixed this lyric a little more..I will find it and post it up..


Don
 
Well, I'm giving it a try

I don't know if your original idea stifled my creativity or not, but a well-worn phrase like that can only suggest a country song to me. Maybe Bryan Adams could make a power-ballad out of it, or Billy Bragg could make it about labour/management, but I hear good old bickering song.

So I'm working on one, a 3/4 time finger-picked thing, with the bass strings emphasizing a slow waltz-type thing. And yes, in the gear of G. So far, the song is about a fighting couple, who use the phrase in their 'discussions'. The guy (who is singing the song) discovers that he is frightened to know what his wife really thinks, and that open communication might not be such a hot idea after all.

Am working on the words now.
 
Okay, now it's NOT a 3/4 country song

Different song came out than what I originally intended.

Now it's a slightly quick 50's thing, sort of like a buddy holly rythym.

First bit is a C with an a-minor hammered on in a bouncy manner, 2 measures.
Then a measure of F, measure of G, and back to C - shaking the very foundations of music theory!

There's a verse1, a chorus, and a verse2.

Chorus goes to F for 1 measure, 1 of Eflat, 1of Dflat, hangs of Aflat for a while, with keith richards-y hammered on sus4, then jumps up to Bflat, and back to C.

(I hope the formatting comes out - generally the chord changes come at the end of the lines)

C Am
Sitting here alone,
C Am
Don't need to hear the phone,
F
You never call anyway,
G C
And I think that's fine

I don't care what's wrong
Things just move along,
As they should,
And I still think that's fine

F Eflat Dflat
And I could take back all them things,
Aflat
that I said
F Eflat Dflat
You could too, but I'm not going to
Aflat
Hold my breath

Aflatsus4, Bflat, C,

C Am
You said I was dead inside,
cold embers from a fire
that burned out years ago,
and it might be true

well life's not like it was before,
some things happened and we got old,
takes one to know one,
well I knows that's true
 
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