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I may have to put that line in a song.Farview said:
philboyd studge
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At best you could effectively use swear words in a song like seasoning when nothing else would do, unless your market is that part of youth that thinks they just invented swearing. It sure limits playability.
Cyanide-Depende
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as long as the lyric fits and it isnt just done for shock value or to sound "cool" it doesnt really matter. if your swearingfor the sake of swearing, then its usually painfully obvious and you kinda just sound like a jackass.
Like i said, as long as it fits, who cares?
Like i said, as long as it fits, who cares?
mrT
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I say Fuck It...
Swearing is just part of the language. If you personally don't like it then you shouldn't do it. I just hate when others pass judgement on shit like this (that's right SHIT!!!). I believe that I have a very large vocab and some standardized test scores to back it up. Not that I'm trying to brag, I'm certainly not. But the point is that I don't sound like a dictionary when I speak because that makes you less understood. They're is an art to speaking to everyone. If you use the right words you will get further(farther?) than if you don't. Since curse words are the same as any other word same thing applies. It just depends who you're talking to and how well you use those words.
But I am a firm supporter of the first ammendment and I think that even if tacky, swearing should always be allowed in any form of cummunication. If it makes you look stupid then it's your own fault.
Swearing is just part of the language. If you personally don't like it then you shouldn't do it. I just hate when others pass judgement on shit like this (that's right SHIT!!!). I believe that I have a very large vocab and some standardized test scores to back it up. Not that I'm trying to brag, I'm certainly not. But the point is that I don't sound like a dictionary when I speak because that makes you less understood. They're is an art to speaking to everyone. If you use the right words you will get further(farther?) than if you don't. Since curse words are the same as any other word same thing applies. It just depends who you're talking to and how well you use those words.
But I am a firm supporter of the first ammendment and I think that even if tacky, swearing should always be allowed in any form of cummunication. If it makes you look stupid then it's your own fault.
NLAlston
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Swearing, in my opinion, is very offensive, distasteful & inappropriate - no matter how, or where it is delivered. If something can't be vocalized within 'decent' vocabulary parameters - then it shouldn't be vocalized at all.
mrT
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NLAlston said:
That is your Fucking right!!!
NLAlston
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mrT said:That is your Fucking right!!!
Why blast me because of my stated opinion? It is 'opinions', on this matter, that was asked - and my opinion which was given. You can do (or talk) as you desire to. I, myself, find it very highly objectionable - and you are correct about one thing: IT IS MY RIGHT!!.
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32-20-Blues
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NLAlston said:
I think he was just having a laugh. Or taking the mickey, as we say.
Farview
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Now your just trying too hard to be offended. Lighten up, you'll live longer.NLAlston said:
mrT
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NLAlston said:
That was my point... you don't have to swear, but I can if I want. That's why America can be so great sometimes (although I hope it stays that way). Lighten up. Don't be so offended.
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mikeh
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Although I don't want to get political - and I did not intend to contribute any more opinion to this subject - but a recent post simply made me want to respond.
America was great when we had culture, when people conducted themselves with dignity, when common courtesy and common decentcy were indeed common.
Now, we as Americans (or at leat too many in my opinion and based on observation) are crude and rude, unkept and lacking in most of the social graces that did at one time make America a great society.
The fact that people think swearing is acceptable behavior, and clearly based on some of these posts take pride in swearing - in particular if they can offend - only validates my opinion.
For our friends in this thread who an not from America, I in no way mean to slight your countries and would suggest that regardless of the country, common courtesy and decentcy - including choice of words, helps the culture of any country improve.
That beiing said, swearing in lyrics must be acceptable based on the norm of our culture (or at least what passes as culture).
America was great when we had culture, when people conducted themselves with dignity, when common courtesy and common decentcy were indeed common.
Now, we as Americans (or at leat too many in my opinion and based on observation) are crude and rude, unkept and lacking in most of the social graces that did at one time make America a great society.
The fact that people think swearing is acceptable behavior, and clearly based on some of these posts take pride in swearing - in particular if they can offend - only validates my opinion.
For our friends in this thread who an not from America, I in no way mean to slight your countries and would suggest that regardless of the country, common courtesy and decentcy - including choice of words, helps the culture of any country improve.
That beiing said, swearing in lyrics must be acceptable based on the norm of our culture (or at least what passes as culture).
mrT
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mikeh said:
That is a very political statement. It shows what kind of politics you have too. To say that people are inherently different now is rediculous. People (from any time period) are more or less the same. If you would like to think that there was a golden age when nothing bad happened and everyone was polite you go ahead and live in a fantasy world. Maybe in those times expression was repressed and people who were white had nice little system set up to keep everyone in check with their beliefs (including the one about black's being inferior, just like anyone else not like them). Back in the good ol' days the cops would just beat you down if you offended them... and no one would question it.
mikeh said:
We have always been crude, rude, and unkempt. who are you trying to kid? Now we just let some of the truth on TV... but not all, the truth is just too offensive to actually be told!!
mikeh said:
Would you rather we had speach police? Oh wait... That's the FCC.
And BTW... Who the FUCK are you to judge what is and is not Art?
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mikeh
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I did not intend to imply (nor do I see anything in my post that in any way did imply) that this was a race issue. I simply meant to imply that in the 50 years I've been alive and based on personal observations during extensive travels, rude behavior, swearing, etc. have increase and become perhaps too acceptable, regardless of race, social status or country of origin. I have had the pleasure of knowing many people from many cultures and I grew up porr in a bad part of a major city. I have not lived a sheltered existance and I am not blind to injustice in the world. My political leanings are somewhat conservative, but I am open to liberal ideas. Peraps, I should not have used the word "political" in my previous post. This is really more about social norms. I was simply bothered that it was suggested that "freedon to swear" made America great. Freedom is a wonderful thing when not abused.
Yes there was always crude behavior and there have always been bad things happening to good people, often caused by bad people, but on a whole the majority of people conducted themselves with a certain level of self control in public, in the presence of ladies in the presence of children and in the presence of stangers.
Now I often find, when I go to a resterant, a retail establishment or any other place that a reasonable person would think to watch thier language and behave in a manner approriate for that setting this is a lack of social grace Instead I find people swearing, showing what many would condiser excessive physical attention (swapping spit in public), etc. Proper manners, as were taught at one time (regardless of race) would dictate those actions are not acceptable.
Regarding my opinion of art - the original question asked an opinion of swearing in song - is not music an art form?? I simply compared swearing in song (an audio art form) to vulgar images in art (a visual art form). In fact, art (in any form) requires opinion or "judgement". One opinion or judgement is neither more right or more wrong than another. I would suggest, who are you to question my right to judge art???
I've presented my thoughts clearly and an effectively and I did not have to resort to inapproriate language on a public forum. It's actually very easy if one is inclind to.
Yes there was always crude behavior and there have always been bad things happening to good people, often caused by bad people, but on a whole the majority of people conducted themselves with a certain level of self control in public, in the presence of ladies in the presence of children and in the presence of stangers.
Now I often find, when I go to a resterant, a retail establishment or any other place that a reasonable person would think to watch thier language and behave in a manner approriate for that setting this is a lack of social grace Instead I find people swearing, showing what many would condiser excessive physical attention (swapping spit in public), etc. Proper manners, as were taught at one time (regardless of race) would dictate those actions are not acceptable.
Regarding my opinion of art - the original question asked an opinion of swearing in song - is not music an art form?? I simply compared swearing in song (an audio art form) to vulgar images in art (a visual art form). In fact, art (in any form) requires opinion or "judgement". One opinion or judgement is neither more right or more wrong than another. I would suggest, who are you to question my right to judge art???
I've presented my thoughts clearly and an effectively and I did not have to resort to inapproriate language on a public forum. It's actually very easy if one is inclind to.
mrT
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Ok, let's have a civil little discourse. I used race as a parallel, I meant no insinsuation of racism. Sorry for any confusion. My point was that back then people might have been polite but what did it mean when it was only to those that they liked? You think those kind polite white southerners we so kind and polite to Black people? So sorry if I don't share some nostalgia for fake politeness (this is actually why I'm not too fond of the some southerners).
See I used an analogy too, and you didn't see it as that. But my analogy neither discredited a talented photographer's work, nor was it an opinion. You were talking about Serrano's "Piss Christ". And I'll bet you $1 million that you would have never known that it was in piss had you only viewed the photo. You don't have to like it but to say that it isn't even art puts you as the judge of what is and is not art. So I want to know what credentials you have to back that statement up. As an Environmental Engineer I was unaware that art history was part of your job. Or maybe you can admit that art is not subject to your approval. And while you might think it is bad art, it is most deffinately art.
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See I used an analogy too, and you didn't see it as that. But my analogy neither discredited a talented photographer's work, nor was it an opinion. You were talking about Serrano's "Piss Christ". And I'll bet you $1 million that you would have never known that it was in piss had you only viewed the photo. You don't have to like it but to say that it isn't even art puts you as the judge of what is and is not art. So I want to know what credentials you have to back that statement up. As an Environmental Engineer I was unaware that art history was part of your job. Or maybe you can admit that art is not subject to your approval. And while you might think it is bad art, it is most deffinately art.
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mrT
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This is the picture that offends him soo.
Farview
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The person viewing the 'art' is the one who determines if it is art or not. Everyone gets their own opinion.
As far as 'fake politness' goes: I understand that everyone has the right to be a rude asshole, I just don't understand why so many people choose to be.
As far as 'fake politness' goes: I understand that everyone has the right to be a rude asshole, I just don't understand why so many people choose to be.
mrT
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Sillyhat said:
It's art if the artist says it is... That doesn't mean it's good art. That's like me saying that I don't like your song so I don't consider it music.
Farview
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Music is a form of art. It can be music without being art. Just like a picture may or may not be art.mrT said:
Art is a communication. The people that it communicates to will see it as art, the people who don't get it, won't.
Artists are generally some of the most deluded people on the planet, some of them border on being mentally ill, I don't put much stock in how they interpret things.
mrT
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It's art if the artist says so because that's who made it. If I make something and say "This is my art" then it is. Because I made it to be art. How can you then look at it and say "Why that's not art because I don't understand it nor do I accept that to be art." But it is up to you to say wheter it is art of any merit and if so what that merit is. So you can say "That really sucks, you suck, go to hell" and that is your complete and legitamite opinion. But just to say that it isn't art is very arrogant and generally not accepted as a valid criticism.
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mikeh
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MrT
I do not have any credential to judge art - your point is well taken. Sadly, you still felt you had to end what you claimed " as Ok, let's have a civil little discourse" with the word asshole. How can that possibly be civil????
Everyone has opinions, we don't agree, fine!!! I choose not to debate this any longer since it has become more a personal issue that a reply to the original post.
I do not have any credential to judge art - your point is well taken. Sadly, you still felt you had to end what you claimed " as Ok, let's have a civil little discourse" with the word asshole. How can that possibly be civil????
Everyone has opinions, we don't agree, fine!!! I choose not to debate this any longer since it has become more a personal issue that a reply to the original post.