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[heatmiser]

yup its mucho mucho better...the vocal still has that casual feel which I like, but the added reverb helps sit in the mix and get along nicely...guitars great..hi hat..well what do you want? lol, its much less obvious in the mix...great performance miser

Great . Glad to hear there were improvements. Thanks for checking back in. People don't always make time to do that. This is so different than the stuff you're doing, I imagine it must sound weird.

Yup, second mix sounds a lot better, Pete!
Really like the vocals now, they sound steadier and hava bit more feel to them. Love that clean guitar sound. I don't know any Grateful Dead music, so I'm unprejudiced and to me this is a Heat song. And a good one at that, nice work!

Joey

Thank you very much Joey . There were some good things about the prior track, but more bad things. I really tried to belt it out this time but it still sounds subdued and tame compared to how it sounded as I sang it ...I have a lot to learn there.

Much, much closer on the vocals to what I was expecting from you. This song needs the low end on the vocals, and this one is better. It still sounds a little distant. What kind of pre-delay do you have on the reverb? Maybe shortening it would bring the vocals more forward????????? Sounds a lot better though.

Glad you gave it another listen gz. I don't have control over pre delay with the guitar pedal I'm using for fx. It has some pretty good lexicon reverbs and I am using a hall one here. I did use an ibanez analog delay pedal set with a very slow delay at low volume with a very short duration. I think I overdid it though, as I'm prone to do with most things .

 

[heatmiser]

Yep, much better - frequency wise. Did you re-record the vocals? The performance sounds different, not sure, but it sounds much better - maybe it's the added frequencies. Also, the hi-hat sounds more natural buried down in the mix. Still love the guitars.

One thing, I'm not sure the reverb is adding much to help. Is their delay on there as well? IMO, the vocals sound a bit disconnected from the vibe of the rest of the song. Not saying it sounds bad at all, just disconnected from the vibe, if that makes any sense. If I approached it, I would try it out much drier. That's what my instincts are telling me. Might be worth trying?

Yes, I re-did the vocals. Tried to liven it up a little bit. And the drums got muted a bit...particularly the hats. I am pretty happy with the guitars and bass and am glad that most seem to be ok with them too.

I totally get what you're saying about the vocals, but at this point I am so confused . I have tried wet, dry, boomy, mid-rangey, echoey, bone dry...and, uh, a bunch of other stuff and nothing sits quite right. I think the problem probably precedes any mixing/eq issues.

The vocal performance is better, but it still sounds kind of midrangey and thin in the mix. Maybe some stereo effect - like a chorus or double-track - would beef up the vocal presence some.

Thanks Greg. That's ironic, 'cause the thing with the original vocal track was that I had tried to do that but it came out sounding thin. I split the signal through a delay and panned the dry and slightly delayed signal hard right and left. I kind of liked the spaced out effect but most seemed to be put off by it.

This vocal was a single track with a little delay as opposed to splitting a stereo delay. I'm still fiddling with the whole thing and trying to get closer. I really appreciate your input.

i would leave the vocals alone, i like the casual feel to them too. i thought they were perfect in the first mix

Where were you yesterday before I frantically re-recorded them ? just kidding.

I liked the way the prior vocals were recorded, but the performance was kind of a problem in a few different ways. I am all about casual vocals...I really cringe when I hear myself sing with any degree of sincerity.