noisedude
New member
BTW - If it helps anyone .... Han is spot on again. 
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
It is clear Chessrock is dedicated to enforcing his opinions to buyers looking to get an opinion on a mic, especially if it is a Studio Projects. He chooses to bash SP products and some others "he" does not like. Yet for many, they are not only good, but quite useful. Rather than creating his own threads about microphones or other equipment he likes and why, he chooses to force his negative and insulting opinions because he can as he claims. Chessrock said," As for me being a negative nilly about it ... someone had to dive on the sword and make an attempt to diffuse some of the hype. People need to know these are not replacements or substitutes for professional tools. First of all that statement is his opinion. As you can all read by his posts, he makes damn sure he is heard.
Studio Projects has "professional" users who use SP mikes as professional tools. They are not replacements for anything, they are tools. There are many companies out there who have professional users incorporate their products in their recordings. Many who do use these products have won Grammy's, the ultimate compliment paid to any manufacturer, but does it matter what mic is used if it gets the job done and in the end someone wins a Grammy for it? Or is just being plain happy with the results of a recording being done in the basement just as important to the user. Is this not then a good mic no matter what the brand name says? As for Hype, people have opinions. No one can control what they say or what their opinions are. If these opinions end up in print, then it is with them that any beef should be discussed.
Slobbermonster said it is about what the customer wants, and not the engineer. If you are the engineer, I agree with this. His exact words were," Anyone knows that when you engineer for other people you are there to do what they want This being the case, if a client likes what they hear on an SP mic or another, then it is a good mic. What does it matter the opinion of the engineer if the client is paying for the session? They either like what they hear, or they don't. A producer plays another role as Slobbermaster knows. They are paid to make the sound, song and talent as best as it can, no matter what gear, musician, or studio it takes.
Slobbermonster may have not had positive results with Studio Projects mikes, but Julian King, Jeff Balding, Scott Rouse, Jason Miles, Kahlique Glover, Doug Obercherker, and many many more seem to like them just fine. No not everyone likes them, but Studio Projects never intended that to be the case in the first place. So it seems we are all back to opinions and what works for not only the first time user, but professionals as well. Surely Slobbermaster can't discredit the list of engineers/producers(all Grammy winners) I have just mentioned, and it does not mean they only use SP mikes, but they do use them and regularly. That is not IMHO hype...it is the truth.
PMI Audio is not saying as Chessrock claims SP mikes are a substitute for another. No one is saying one tool is professional and another is not. I have been saying this for years on HR that any mic can sound better than another mic anywhere, anytime, given the right circumstances. Dispute it if you want, but that statement still stands true. So why do these few have to be so friggin rude to every post made about SP?
The issue at HR, and one of the reasons why this BBS has seen some very good people leave is Chessrock and "some" others likes to badger, insult, and diminish a posters ego by calling them names and sending them away with their tail between their legs if they say something about SP mics. It would be more productive to simply tell the poster to read Chessrock's or another's thread on microphones that they like, or to look at some sticky to answer their questions rather than give the poster the impression that they are below your dignity to answer in a positive manner. It's HR, you will always get people making enthusiastic claims, but to kill them off rudely is just disrespectful and often prevents them from posting again, when perhaps they are here to learn. The self appointed police on this forum seem to tell them it is their rules here, so do it their way or Fu%# Off. I am entitled to my opinion as much as anyone else here.
I find it funny where Chessrock said," I find it interesting how the first response to anyone who voices a negative opinion Studio Projects is to immediately attempt to discredit them. The next step is to make sure and start a flame war and trash the thread so people will be discouraged from reading or trusting the comments. Since this thread started, I said nothing to discredit anyone. I offered my opinion that the C3 would be a better choice for female vocals. I expressed there are many different opinions on SP products based on personal tastes aka The Coke/Pepsi thing that set Chessrock off, but it was Chessrock that immediately started the flame war and trash mouth...NOT ME! I did not come here and discredit anyone. If Chessrock can show me this, I will apologize, but I expressed my opinion like anyone else except I was not disrespectful. The fact is, Chessrock did exactly what he accused me of doing! What does that say for him?
As for Chessrock's mixes, I am not a fan of his work. "My" opinion of them is they are assembled decently, but very clinical as if he learned how to do it from a book, and not a skilled engineer. His mixes are way overcooked for "my" preference and sound like they are over processed to try get back what his ear, monitors, or room lacks. Not that this is bad, as some people are after that sound, and as Slobbermaster said, they are paying the bill... I do however give him credit for putting them up and if you are looking for that sound, by all means use Moon Unit Studios in Chicago(plug for Chessrock).
Taking Chessrock's words and in my opinion, his mixes are not replacements or substitutes for professional engineers, they are just mixes that others will, or will not like. This is my opinion, but it is not rude or disrespectful....Just my opinion.
As for the few other policemen on this group, well I think I have had my say... Let the flame wars continue
Studio Projects has "professional" users who use SP mikes as professional tools. They are not replacements for anything, they are tools. There are many companies out there who have professional users incorporate their products in their recordings. Many who do use these products have won Grammy's, the ultimate compliment paid to any manufacturer, but does it matter what mic is used if it gets the job done and in the end someone wins a Grammy for it? Or is just being plain happy with the results of a recording being done in the basement just as important to the user. Is this not then a good mic no matter what the brand name says? As for Hype, people have opinions. No one can control what they say or what their opinions are. If these opinions end up in print, then it is with them that any beef should be discussed.
Slobbermonster said it is about what the customer wants, and not the engineer. If you are the engineer, I agree with this. His exact words were," Anyone knows that when you engineer for other people you are there to do what they want This being the case, if a client likes what they hear on an SP mic or another, then it is a good mic. What does it matter the opinion of the engineer if the client is paying for the session? They either like what they hear, or they don't. A producer plays another role as Slobbermaster knows. They are paid to make the sound, song and talent as best as it can, no matter what gear, musician, or studio it takes.
Slobbermonster may have not had positive results with Studio Projects mikes, but Julian King, Jeff Balding, Scott Rouse, Jason Miles, Kahlique Glover, Doug Obercherker, and many many more seem to like them just fine. No not everyone likes them, but Studio Projects never intended that to be the case in the first place. So it seems we are all back to opinions and what works for not only the first time user, but professionals as well. Surely Slobbermaster can't discredit the list of engineers/producers(all Grammy winners) I have just mentioned, and it does not mean they only use SP mikes, but they do use them and regularly. That is not IMHO hype...it is the truth.
PMI Audio is not saying as Chessrock claims SP mikes are a substitute for another. No one is saying one tool is professional and another is not. I have been saying this for years on HR that any mic can sound better than another mic anywhere, anytime, given the right circumstances. Dispute it if you want, but that statement still stands true. So why do these few have to be so friggin rude to every post made about SP?
The issue at HR, and one of the reasons why this BBS has seen some very good people leave is Chessrock and "some" others likes to badger, insult, and diminish a posters ego by calling them names and sending them away with their tail between their legs if they say something about SP mics. It would be more productive to simply tell the poster to read Chessrock's or another's thread on microphones that they like, or to look at some sticky to answer their questions rather than give the poster the impression that they are below your dignity to answer in a positive manner. It's HR, you will always get people making enthusiastic claims, but to kill them off rudely is just disrespectful and often prevents them from posting again, when perhaps they are here to learn. The self appointed police on this forum seem to tell them it is their rules here, so do it their way or Fu%# Off. I am entitled to my opinion as much as anyone else here.
I find it funny where Chessrock said," I find it interesting how the first response to anyone who voices a negative opinion Studio Projects is to immediately attempt to discredit them. The next step is to make sure and start a flame war and trash the thread so people will be discouraged from reading or trusting the comments. Since this thread started, I said nothing to discredit anyone. I offered my opinion that the C3 would be a better choice for female vocals. I expressed there are many different opinions on SP products based on personal tastes aka The Coke/Pepsi thing that set Chessrock off, but it was Chessrock that immediately started the flame war and trash mouth...NOT ME! I did not come here and discredit anyone. If Chessrock can show me this, I will apologize, but I expressed my opinion like anyone else except I was not disrespectful. The fact is, Chessrock did exactly what he accused me of doing! What does that say for him?
As for Chessrock's mixes, I am not a fan of his work. "My" opinion of them is they are assembled decently, but very clinical as if he learned how to do it from a book, and not a skilled engineer. His mixes are way overcooked for "my" preference and sound like they are over processed to try get back what his ear, monitors, or room lacks. Not that this is bad, as some people are after that sound, and as Slobbermaster said, they are paying the bill... I do however give him credit for putting them up and if you are looking for that sound, by all means use Moon Unit Studios in Chicago(plug for Chessrock).
Taking Chessrock's words and in my opinion, his mixes are not replacements or substitutes for professional engineers, they are just mixes that others will, or will not like. This is my opinion, but it is not rude or disrespectful....Just my opinion.
As for the few other policemen on this group, well I think I have had my say... Let the flame wars continue
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DJL
Self Banned
No... lets stop the flame wars instead.
If this type of PMI-AG marketing crap doesn't stop soon on hr.com... I may have to comment again.
If this type of PMI-AG marketing crap doesn't stop soon on hr.com... I may have to comment again.
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crazydoc
Master Baiter
Hey DJ, take a step back and reflect before you post. You've been doing really well - take this as a test of your resolve.
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chessrock
Banned
Hey Alan ... I appreciate the critique. I especially appreciate the fact that you mentioned some specifics ... rather than an overly-generalized, blanket statment like "it sucks" or "it's good" and that sort of thing.
Much like yourself, I put out a product to fit a particular need and to meet a specific price point. I make it a point to tell my clients that if they are really serious about their project, that there are other studios in the area that I "freelance" at that tend to be a little better-equiped and suited for the more serious of projects. And I love getting outside if I can; I still get my engineering fee and I get to work with different spaces and equipment, etc.
The challenge I often run in to is probably also something you can relate to ... and that is that I'm dealing with people with very limited financial means. The vast majority of my clients simply don't have the financial wherewithall to rent out a place like Electric Audio or Chicago Recording ... or even Truckstop or 3-pear for that matter, and pay my engineering wage on top of that. So what I am able to offer these people (with my project studio) is an opportunity to get a perfectly acceptable finished product that can even sound very professional if they have a high enough level of talent and equipment, and they give me enough time to do my thing.
Even then, it's very seldom that I'm given more than an hour to 1 1/2 hours per song to mix and master. And I say master because I've only had maybe 3 to 4 clients in the last year who actually went on to have it mastered the right way. And thus, I am forced to cut a lot of corners and use some "cookie cutter approaches" that tend to homogenize things a bit. That's just the reality of many of our situations, and I think I do a pretty damn good job considering the limitations of what I'm given to work with (quality of instruments and amount of time I am alloted to work on something).
Enough of my rambling. Just so you know, I'm not on some vendetta to bring down SP mics. The reason things escalate the way they do is because it seems like every time someone says anything at all unflattering about your product ... they're basically inviting a round of attacks from some of your web friends. And maybe that's not fair to you. Either way, I think we also lose a lot of good people on this board because they don't feel free to express their opinions on things without offending people, being discredited, labeled a troublemaker or of as "having an agenda."
Basically, all I want is the freedom to say "I don't like product X" without having a group of defensive people retorting ... and without the owner of the company offering unsolicited critiques of my work.
If I had that freedom, I might not be so quick to exercise it. For a while now, this place has actually improved in that department -- people have been able to say what they think without fear of retaliation. And we've been relatively light on the marketing. I hope we don't see it regressing backwards.
Much like yourself, I put out a product to fit a particular need and to meet a specific price point. I make it a point to tell my clients that if they are really serious about their project, that there are other studios in the area that I "freelance" at that tend to be a little better-equiped and suited for the more serious of projects. And I love getting outside if I can; I still get my engineering fee and I get to work with different spaces and equipment, etc.
The challenge I often run in to is probably also something you can relate to ... and that is that I'm dealing with people with very limited financial means. The vast majority of my clients simply don't have the financial wherewithall to rent out a place like Electric Audio or Chicago Recording ... or even Truckstop or 3-pear for that matter, and pay my engineering wage on top of that. So what I am able to offer these people (with my project studio) is an opportunity to get a perfectly acceptable finished product that can even sound very professional if they have a high enough level of talent and equipment, and they give me enough time to do my thing.
Even then, it's very seldom that I'm given more than an hour to 1 1/2 hours per song to mix and master. And I say master because I've only had maybe 3 to 4 clients in the last year who actually went on to have it mastered the right way. And thus, I am forced to cut a lot of corners and use some "cookie cutter approaches" that tend to homogenize things a bit. That's just the reality of many of our situations, and I think I do a pretty damn good job considering the limitations of what I'm given to work with (quality of instruments and amount of time I am alloted to work on something).
Enough of my rambling. Just so you know, I'm not on some vendetta to bring down SP mics. The reason things escalate the way they do is because it seems like every time someone says anything at all unflattering about your product ... they're basically inviting a round of attacks from some of your web friends. And maybe that's not fair to you. Either way, I think we also lose a lot of good people on this board because they don't feel free to express their opinions on things without offending people, being discredited, labeled a troublemaker or of as "having an agenda."
Basically, all I want is the freedom to say "I don't like product X" without having a group of defensive people retorting ... and without the owner of the company offering unsolicited critiques of my work.
If I had that freedom, I might not be so quick to exercise it. For a while now, this place has actually improved in that department -- people have been able to say what they think without fear of retaliation. And we've been relatively light on the marketing. I hope we don't see it regressing backwards.
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DJL
Self Banned
Thanks crazydog... I'll do that. Thanks again, Don.crazydoc said:Hey DJ, take a step back and reflect before you post. You've been doing really well - take this as a test of your resolve.
noisedude
New member
Hmmm ... I feel like I'm not allowed to give an opinion without getting flamed, but I imagine DJL, chessrock, Alan and so on feel the same. So, ignoring the issue altogether, I'll just say big kudos to DJL for his current willingness to step back. If more of us take his lead, we'll be able to have a decent debate (as these last few posts have been) without resorting to name-calling on all sides.
Unless everyone's desperate for a name-calling session, in which case I'll join you all in the Cave.
Unless everyone's desperate for a name-calling session, in which case I'll join you all in the Cave.
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slobbermonster
New member
Bet they don't use them on lead vox very often on a serious money project.
Hey Alan don't get me wrong, my only experience with your mics has been the C1 and B1. Which I purchased after a couple of "high profile" friends hyped them to me. They started changing their minds the more they worked with it.
Some of you other offerings may be very good. I've often had thought of buying some of your other mics but the C1 and B1 just weren't exciting enough for me to want to spend the money on more SP mics. I would like to give them a whirl but no one I know rents SP mics.
I haven't gotten rid of my C1 or B1 so that should say something but let's be honest Alan, you know and I know they are not "great" mics they are mearly "good" or "okay" mics. There is nothing wrong with them just being decent mics and to be fair to you I've only compared the C1 and B1 to pretty highend mics. The only reason I compared them to the highend stuff is because of all the hype people have spewed about them and because I don't own very many low end mics.
So I'm not saying anything you don't already know about them or I guess the other alternative is I have a couple of lemons.
cellardweller
New member
Context= I paid $80 for my SPB1...NEW...
I will now be silent and retreat into obscurity, watching from afar...
I will now be silent and retreat into obscurity, watching from afar...
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chessrock
Banned
slobbermonster said:
Actually, to Alan's credit, the T-3 is a seriously nice mic. Probably would have picked one up a long time ago if I didn't have personal issues with the owner of the company. I may yet, anyway. Used.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Chessrock,
I don't wish to bring up the past further and prefer to deal with the who and now. I appreciate your reply and there will be no more elaboration on the matter. There will only be the following comment in hope we can find a better ground to stand on.
You "are" free to say what you want here, and which products you like or do not like. I think you are more intelligent to warrant your continuing to express your opinions in the manner that you do. You could be much more effective and respected as a leader in this group if you would not allow yourself to get as hostile as you have been. I have made changes over the years, and you can as well. You should try to have some more patience with some Newbie or an experienced user who is excited about a product and send them your message without shooting them down, or make offending remarks. If you just don't give a shit that is one thing, but then that speaks poorly of you. You have to give a shit to be in this industry which you are in....
You say the reason things escalate the way they do is because it seems every time someone says anything at all unflattering about SP product ... they're basically inviting a round of attacks from some of your web friends. I am willing to bet you a T3 with some of Brent Casey's mods this is not the case...provided it is put into a non hostile manner. I think you could have handled your response better than you did to my second post back on page two or three of this thread. Had you just replied in a less hostile manner, I do not think it would spark the negative reply's as it has. The sooner everyone realizes it will always de different strokes for different folks then this bickering will end...
I try to offer like you and others, my opinions personally, and am not always answering questions on behalf of PMI Audio. More times than not, my opinions answer the question and not include SP mics, or others. I am not "always" marketing PMI AG as believed by someone on this site.
I have not turned this into a big negative like it used to get. Its time you give me some kudos' on doing that. Maybe it's time for you to step up to the plate at HR as it really needs it. If you don't want the job, then fine, how about not reacting so aggressively right out of the shoot.....Try it, you might like it..
If not, then we have said our peace and time to move on to the next one..... I will end this with a and hope you take may comments the right way.
I don't wish to bring up the past further and prefer to deal with the who and now. I appreciate your reply and there will be no more elaboration on the matter. There will only be the following comment in hope we can find a better ground to stand on.
You "are" free to say what you want here, and which products you like or do not like. I think you are more intelligent to warrant your continuing to express your opinions in the manner that you do. You could be much more effective and respected as a leader in this group if you would not allow yourself to get as hostile as you have been. I have made changes over the years, and you can as well. You should try to have some more patience with some Newbie or an experienced user who is excited about a product and send them your message without shooting them down, or make offending remarks. If you just don't give a shit that is one thing, but then that speaks poorly of you. You have to give a shit to be in this industry which you are in....
You say the reason things escalate the way they do is because it seems every time someone says anything at all unflattering about SP product ... they're basically inviting a round of attacks from some of your web friends. I am willing to bet you a T3 with some of Brent Casey's mods this is not the case...provided it is put into a non hostile manner. I think you could have handled your response better than you did to my second post back on page two or three of this thread. Had you just replied in a less hostile manner, I do not think it would spark the negative reply's as it has. The sooner everyone realizes it will always de different strokes for different folks then this bickering will end...
I try to offer like you and others, my opinions personally, and am not always answering questions on behalf of PMI Audio. More times than not, my opinions answer the question and not include SP mics, or others. I am not "always" marketing PMI AG as believed by someone on this site.
I have not turned this into a big negative like it used to get. Its time you give me some kudos' on doing that. Maybe it's time for you to step up to the plate at HR as it really needs it. If you don't want the job, then fine, how about not reacting so aggressively right out of the shoot.....Try it, you might like it..
If not, then we have said our peace and time to move on to the next one..... I will end this with a
and hope you take may comments the right way.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
slobbermonster said:
I am sorry to dissapoint you on this, but they have been used on lead vocals. The last album Dave Mason did was all done on the C1. Sure, Dave is an old timer, but he used it. Tina Turner used the C1 on several cuts on her CD as well. The list goes on, but I am not trying to change your mind. Now the T3 is more widely used for this than the C1, but the C1 has put out some impressive tracks.
Some things work for people, and some things don't. I don't lose sleep over it, and you should not either. You use what works for you, and that is fine by me.... I have no problems with your experiences....
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slobbermonster
New member
kind of makes me wonder if I got something from an "iffy" production run
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sdelsolray
Active member
Leaving aside the SP mic debate, or debate concerning any other mic, it's certainly nice to see manufacturers such as Studio Projects, ADK, etc. offer new products. ADK has come out with several mics in the past couple of years that expand their product line and generally improve the line. Studio Projects is about to do the same thing with their new CS and E mics.
I believe these companies are passionate about what they are doing, and are working smart to provide better tools. That's good for all.
Just think, in about 5 years (maybe 10 years) everyone can reflect on the vintage sound of the SP C1, ADK A51 III, etc.
I believe these companies are passionate about what they are doing, and are working smart to provide better tools. That's good for all.
Just think, in about 5 years (maybe 10 years) everyone can reflect on the vintage sound of the SP C1, ADK A51 III, etc.
noisedude
New member
You might be right! In 10 years, when an LDC can be had for under a tenner RRP, the days of the $100 condenser will be revered indeed!! 
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
DJL said:If this type of PMI-AG marketing crap doesn't stop soon on hr.com... I may have to comment again.
but who really gives a damn? really? i dont.....
noisedude
New member
Cut him some slack dude, he's being very restrained given his feelings. A new man, I tell you!
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chessrock
Banned
alanhyatt said:
Alright, then. You've stated your case in a very reasonable manner, so I will honor your request.
When this thread started, one of the members stated that they felt that the C-1 was somewhat "harsh" sounding, as they put it.
Almost immediately following this remark were two comments, the first by Kidvybes: "The only harshness is the idiot "chinese mic bashing" that goes on here on this forum..."
Which was immediately followed by this comment from Bodhisan : Oh, I love this. I've said it before, too (doesn't make it true, although I believe it to be true) about the idgits here who "bash" Chinese mics.
Now keep in mind that at this point, I was still pretty much out of the equation. Someone made a judgement statement about the microphone, and two separate posters used the terms: idiot, and idgits to describe those who merely stated (non-inflamatory) opinions about your mics. The message is pretty clear: You say something negative about SP, you get called an idiot.
From there, Slobber got a little testy and started tangling with some of these guys.
Then I joined in ... but if you go back and trace the steps, it's pretty clear where the hostility originated from. A few rather enthusiastic C-1 fans used antagonistic comments directly after Sdelsoray made a criticism of the C1 (and Chinese mics in general). Note that Sdelsoray never said anything disparaging about you, Alan, or about anyone else. It was a simple observation about a piece of equipment that was followed up by two people who used the words: "Idiot" and "Idget."Now personally, I have nothing wrong with the word idget.
I think it's rather funny, even when used in an attack against another person. "idget." I'm sorry, it just makes me chuckle. LOL. But anyway, back to my point, I have noticed this to be somewhat of a disturbing trend. You can call me course and/or rude all you'd like ... but I challenge you to find an instance where I have just come out and called someone an idiot because they said they thought a mic was harsh. I have hazed a few people for using the word "warm," I admit (and for the occasional over-use of softdrink analogies), but that's because frankly I get sick of that term being thrown around so much. But I do not, under any circumstances, advocate flaming people for stating opinions. Now I could also point out another instance where I, myself, said something to the effect that I don't view the C1 as a "professional tool." To which someone else followed up by saying that they didn't view me as a "professional engineer." Again, the message: You criticize the mic --you get criticized.
My only request is that I prefer the T-3 not be shipped UPS. Thanks.
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kidvybes
New member
Yo Chess...your synopsis of the thread is a little reminiscent of the kid who tells his mom "it wasn't me mom, the dog broke the lamp!" (after the kid chased the dog all over the house until something got busted)...anyone who has been following these threads on HR.com over the past few months (in particular the threads dealing with any of the Chinese manufactured mics) has read you're "quick to trash" comments (not reserved for SP alone)...
...and as far as my comment you quoted, I referred to the "idiot Chinese mic bashing"...the "act of trashing a product", not a reference to a particular person...you slam Robgb every time he has a positive thing to say about SP products...neither Rob nor I are affiliated with Alan or SP...we just appreciate the product and it's applications...if you disagree, that's fine...why not try to disagree WITHOUT remarks like "talkin' out yer ass!"...you set the tone, and it goes downhill from there...so stop ducking the issue...and if you get that T3 and you want to know what to do with it...there's a few of us that have some creative suggestions...
...and as far as my comment you quoted, I referred to the "idiot Chinese mic bashing"...the "act of trashing a product", not a reference to a particular person...you slam Robgb every time he has a positive thing to say about SP products...neither Rob nor I are affiliated with Alan or SP...we just appreciate the product and it's applications...if you disagree, that's fine...why not try to disagree WITHOUT remarks like "talkin' out yer ass!"...you set the tone, and it goes downhill from there...so stop ducking the issue...and if you get that T3 and you want to know what to do with it...there's a few of us that have some creative suggestions...
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sdelsolray
Active member
Yeah. I guess I started things. But as Chessrock said, I was only giving my opinion about a trait (e.g., harshness) of the C1 and many other Chinese mics. If that makes me an "idiot" or "idgit", that's fine by me.
Let's put this into context. What I think I've learned from this thread is that "harshness" (or whatever it is) actually seems desireable to some folks - it works for certain musicians and engineers doing certain work. What's equally clear is that it is does not work for other musicians or engineers, myself included. That's mostly because the music I record and the sound I'm looking for is not served well by the C1 or other mics that have (what I call) harshness, regardless of how much they cost or who makes them. I want clarity, accuracy, musicaility (whatever that is) and sensuality with an authentic soundstage of the source (solo acoustic or classical guitar).
The first mics I bought for these uses were a Neumann TLM103 and a pair of Neumann KM184s. To my ears, those mics were not right for me. It took a couple of years to realize this. They're too colored and are a bit harsh. I've found happiness with a pair of Schoeps CMC64 and a Microtech UMT800, among others. Like I said, if that makes me an "idiot" or an "idgit", that's fine by me.
Let's put this into context. What I think I've learned from this thread is that "harshness" (or whatever it is) actually seems desireable to some folks - it works for certain musicians and engineers doing certain work. What's equally clear is that it is does not work for other musicians or engineers, myself included. That's mostly because the music I record and the sound I'm looking for is not served well by the C1 or other mics that have (what I call) harshness, regardless of how much they cost or who makes them. I want clarity, accuracy, musicaility (whatever that is) and sensuality with an authentic soundstage of the source (solo acoustic or classical guitar).
The first mics I bought for these uses were a Neumann TLM103 and a pair of Neumann KM184s. To my ears, those mics were not right for me. It took a couple of years to realize this. They're too colored and are a bit harsh. I've found happiness with a pair of Schoeps CMC64 and a Microtech UMT800, among others. Like I said, if that makes me an "idiot" or an "idgit", that's fine by me.
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