Studio A verses Studio B?

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Which Studio Setup?

  • Studio A

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • Studio B

    Votes: 6 66.7%
  • Total voters
    9
God, people's ingnorance gets on my nerves so much! TWO costing 552 dollars EACH!!! Totalling 1104 dollars!!! NOT 552 for both!

THank you littledog.

Geez, and I'll be sure and take look at the crest thread, although I'm pretty much sold on it.

Everything just keeps getting more and more expensive though. Oh well, it's just money.

Anyway...
 
hmm

my bad, sorry bout that. im in a violent mood for schizo swings in the darkness of night, illuminated by green fog, showing the specs of dust very clearly.
 
congrats on blowing your vapor "money" on prosumer gear... see ya in 3 months when you come back here asking why you aren't getting the pro results you expected.
 
well, actually, a guy said he'll give em to me for 550 each, which means I can talk to the other guy I'm gonna buy 'em from again, and get 'em for prolly 540 each. It's fun having people compete for your business. Hehe
 
Scriabin said:
congrats on blowing your vapor "money" on prosumer gear... see ya in 3 months when you come back here asking why you aren't getting the pro results you expected.
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Well, it's a tough nut to try and outfit a whole studio from scratch with a finite amount of funds. If Scriabin or I had $15,000 to spend, we might buy just 4 or 5 pieces of really top quality gear with it, and we'd have much better "investment" value for our money, without question.

But if we were starting from scratch, we would be stuck with the same problem Tyler has - how to buy everything one needs to make a decent recording. Unfortunately, that probably means that, at this stage, no single piece of gear will be outstanding, rather the goal is not to have anything that is so much the weakest link that it disables the whole system.

So yeah, mediocrity rulz! At first anyway... I like Tyler's spirit and drive - I wish I had more of it when i was his age. This "starter" system, I have a feeling, will be upgraded piece by piece rather quickly. In a few years Tyler might well have a system even Scriabin wouldn't sneer at!

By the way, Scriabin, your Etude in D# Minor (Opus 8 No. 12) is one of the most transcendental piano pieces I have ever had the privilege of playing (not that i can really do it justice!)

Congratulations on a work of sheer genius!
 
I agree with you Littledog. However, when looking at his lists I see alot of equipment he could do without right now. Rnc faceplate? autotune pro? studio projects tb-1?

Why not spend that money on something which will give ya a little more mileage?

How about spending it on two killer preamps (mp-nv, drs-2) = 4000
one great compressor/limiter (cranesong trakker) = 2000
one great eq (eqp-1a) = 3000

one good computer = 1500
rme hammerfall = 500

meyer hd-1 nearfields = 2500

and 3,000 thousand left for a couple good mics.

1,500 over budget but gear he'll keep for a lifetime...excluding the computer. Of course, I know he won't take this advice. He'll learn the hard way...oh well... :)
 
I agree, to an extent. I think that instead of going for all mediocre gear, or for all super-high gear as scriabin suggested just go for a solid base, like great monitors, great a/d and d/a conversion and a great mixer/pres, if you dont mind mixing in the digital world you really could do without one, $5000 on two 4-channel pres may be money better spent for you than that much on a 24-track mixer and a couple of ok pres. Spend almost all your money and the real base of the studio even if you have to fill it in with weaker items now; so that once you decide to upgrade to a $3000 mic, and Monster Studio pro 1000 cables your a/d conversion will be more than suitable to handle such high-end sound.

Excuse my gear related inaccuracies, but in general i think a/d conversion and monitoring are key.

Also you didnt include any effects plugins in those lists did you,\? These are extremely important as well, its nice to get a great sound into the computer, but dont screw it up with half-rate plugins once you have it
 
Ok well, I've bascially ruled out the mackie setup. And the Studio A setup has changed a little. Instead of the A-H mixer, I'm gonna get 'da CREST!! lol, but anyway, I am planning on upgrading most of this stuff eventualy anyway. Are the mackies not great monitors? I know they're not beyer's, but hey. They;re not crap are they? And I've heard so much great stuff about the delta 1010's that I don't expect those to be a huge problem for a while. I DO understand that they're not pro cards. I really want, and need 16 channel i/o at this time though, becasue I will be recording some live stuff, as well as studio stuff. Digital mixing makes this more difficult too. For upgrading that I've been looking at mark of the unicorn cards? Are these any good? Well anyway, I don't think I'm ready to spend 2000 bucks on a single piece of gear yet, because one, this is going to be an upgrade from a celeron 700 with 3 sound blasters, cakewalk gt2.0, beh1804x, and a couple of sm58's. I want something that is upgradable, and can be continuously updated, without rendering the whole system inoperable. Which is basically what I have right now. Uhm...as far as plugins go, I don't really want any. I want to do everything outside the computer, with the MPX550, and a T.C. Electronic M-one (a little later on). Also, what am I supposed to do for a room scrabian? That puts me back even further, and I'm already, really really really pushing it. Let's see, that would put me at almost 20k now. I think 14k is my absolute, cannot pass at all, totally as far as I can go, limit. I mean, jeez. OH yeah, and I still gotta get a drum set. All these things add up. So I think, PROSUMER, if thats what you want to call it, is the way for me to go, right now. Maybe when I'm 20 or so, I'll be all pro, but for now...

paragraphs...hahaha
 
Re: hmm

ambi said:
my bad, sorry bout that. im in a violent mood for schizo swings in the darkness of night, illuminated by green fog, showing the specs of dust very clearly.
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what the heck???

:eek:
 
tyler657recpro said:
Also, what am I supposed to do for a room scrabian? That puts me back even further, and I'm already, really really really pushing it. Let's see, that would put me at almost 20k now. I think 14k is my absolute, cannot pass at all, totally as far as I can go, limit. I mean, jeez. OH yeah, and I still gotta get a drum set. All these things add up. So I think, PROSUMER, if thats what you want to call it, is the way for me to go, right now. Maybe when I'm 20 or so, I'll be all pro, but for now...

paragraphs...hahaha
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I understand now... you can't wait and buy one good piece of gear at a time... you need it all...and you need it now. I'm glad you've got it all figured out but let me make one small suggestion:
Why not take that $14,000 and just wipe your ass with it? You'll get better mileage.

And on a side note: 16 i/o? ever heard of minimalist miking techniques and the use of room ambiance and mic leakage?
Why not invest some of that money in a couple of old Rudy van Gelder recordings... He used his mother's house, a couple of good mics and very minimalist gear... yet somehow managed to make recordings that surpass the quality of today's output fifty years later. A great kick in the pants for all of us living in the autotune age.
 
well

from my understanding tyler is 15 and his parents are rich and giving him 14 g's to buy recording equipment. i went over it before and its not possible he made that money himself, like, litteraly, a 0% chance. So unless hes paying them back over time, or whatever, hes young and impulsive, i know how he feels, so am i. I just don't have rich parents giving me money so im forced to buy it one piece at at a time over a period of time.
 
ok, well, i admit i do see where you are coming from, and I could forget about some of that stuff. I'm pretty much set on 16 ch i/o, because i dont' like mixing on the computer, but i could maybe drop the at3035, the tb-1, neumann shockmount, autotune, faceplate, maybe a presonus, and the sm-58's, and replace the sytek with a greatriver maybe. maybe only the two channel.

what's better, the regular greatriver, or the mercenary edition? scribian?

yeah, i could swing that. ($14502.61) i could also drop the yorkville monitors, that somehow got in there, and maybe the lcd's(crying), and i could get maybe one other mic, maybe another neumann. or an audiotechnica at4060, or am i just traveling down the same road again?
 
Scriabin said:

Why not take that $14,000 and just wipe your ass with it? You'll get better mileage.
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Well, who ever said you couldn't get good well-reasoned constructive criticism around here? :rolleyes:

I guess I'm all alone here, but i remember back in the 19th century or so when i was Tyler's age, if I had gotten my hands on a sizeable sum of money I would have blown it on drugs and women. So I gotta give him some credit. Plus, whatever the holes in his knowledge compared to all you critical experts, he's got a much more impressive knowledge base than I had at his age, plus he's learning more every day. I hope I can always say the same. Just cause we all don't have $14,000 to spend doesn't mean we should begrudge someone who does. That's just petty.
 
Well...

Good point Littledog. That is, provided Tyler isn't asking the same kind of questions in 2 or 3 months - tick-tick-tick...

Tyler, glad you didn't give up. Time to get some shit and start making music. 1 suggestion: plan on 10-11 grand for gear, and the rest to construct, soundproof, and sound treat your room...

Flo' Dolo
 
I'm glad someone has confidence in me littledog. Thanks...hmm...just don't give me other ideas to spend money on...drugs...women...remember, I'm young and impressionable, lol

Ok, well, I estimated it all out, and I'll be spending about 2200 bucks on my room, and the rest will the equiptment. The room is going to be basically, a two car garage converted to just a regular room, with drywall, insulation, and carpeting. In the far corner, I'll build a 5x6 foot isolation booth, that is soudproofed, wired, and accoustically treated. (silicone, R-13 insulation, resilient strip, drywall, rubber sheet, drywall, and then soundfoam. all on 2x4 studs) Then, Next to that, in the corner that it sorta creates, along the rest of the wall, and the 5 foot section, which is the wall opposite to the isolation booth door, will be my control room/area. It's more of an area. It won't be enclosed at this time, perhaps at a later date. And then that wall will probably be sound proofed, and WILL be acoustically treated as required. Mostly bass traps, I'd expect. So that's basically what will happen. Oh dangit, I have to add more for lighting, but tracklighting I'd guess will only cost 200 or so? My parents will be paying for the rest of the garage basically. It'll have like a pingpong table to the side and crap like that. A treadmill i think. But I don't think any of that will affect the acoustics too drastically. And for racks, I think they'll mostly all be roto-racks, so I can move this if I ever have to. My computer's gonna be rackmounted too, so that'll be cool. I won't have to worry about hooking and unhooking the delta's from the computer.

If anyone thinks this will not be functional, please tell me. Oh yeah, and is the object of the isolation booth to be totally dead sounding? Or just non-reflectant?
 
ha ha ha.

i have to laugh.

he is going to blow the whole wad at once.

where will the money come from after that?

i hope the parents wont mind chucking out indefinitely.

see theres always something else you will HAVE to have!!!

:p
 
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