Stereo buss compressor

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I am thinking of placing a stereo compressor on my stereo out when mixing and was wondering what a good starting place would be for setting attack and release times. Im going for a mild compression.

Also I only have 2 compressors. The Waves Rcomp and the C1 comp.
Doesa on of them maybe suit the task at hand better?

Cheers,
Eck
 
I recommend that you save any mix buss compression for later, as in either for the mastering engineer, or for self mastering if you're so inclined. In either case it's best to make the mix file first, after treating dynamics at the individual track level. Keep the resulting mix file safe, and then start playing around with different mastering treatments as a totally seperate process, but never destructively on the mix file.
 
Yeah I never place a comp on the stereo out, but I was just wanting to play around to see what results I could get, but I have still to get any even half decent results from using comp on the stereo out!
I was trying it out becuase I read that Andy Wallace uses this method when mixing. He said he even gets up to -6dB of compression! Which is a shit load when compressing in this way.
No wonder Deftones stuff he mixed is heavily squased. :)

Eck
 
Most of your favorite records were mixed on an SSL, with buss compression...

hmm...

I'd also like to point out that just because someone uses 6db of compression doesn't mean they're squashing it. It may actually mean they use less (or no) individual track compression...

For my ME, the only thing he cares about is the final 2-track, and enough headroom to do his thing. So,..in reality,..it's the final product that matters, and how it sounds.

I don't care if I put a turkey baster and stove top stuffing on my master fader, as long as as the FINAL PRODUCT is how I want it to sound, and has enough headroom to work with.

-LIMiT
 
ecktronic said:
Yeah I never place a comp on the stereo out, but I was just wanting to play around to see what results I could get, but I have still to get any even half decent results from using comp on the stereo out!
I was trying it out becuase I read that Andy Wallace uses this method when mixing. He said he even gets up to -6dB of compression! Which is a shit load when compressing in this way.
No wonder Deftones stuff he mixed is heavily squased. :)

Eck

GearSlutz has been down ALL DAY, but seriously check out that thread link I posted. Specific attack and release times for the RComp on the 2-buss and validation from people who make money at this game who use and like it.

The O.P. in that thread uses a colorful EQ plugin because it helps to replicate the "feel" of an analog summing buss. I haven't had too much opportunity to play around with the concept yet, but I definitely do have a limiter on the 2-buss set at -0.1 dB to protect my monitors, and that doesn't get used on the final bounce.

6 dB of gain reduction is a LOT...but then again most of the Andy Wallace stuff I've heard isn't subtle acoustic mixes. I suppose if you're trying to get that sound, you do what you have to do.
 
This is kind of funny.... 6db of gain reduction is definately not alot for a lot of engineers out there. I see tracks all the time slammed with up to 30 db of compression for specific sounds, and stems being squashed at 12 or more db of gain reduction. A lot of this depends on what you are recording, what comp you are using, and what sound you are after. On a good comp, 6db of gain reduction is virtually unnoticable.
 
I am thinking of placing a stereo compressor on my stereo out when mixing and was wondering what a good starting place would be for setting attack and release times. Im going for a mild compression.

well I mean, you really have to watch out if you're going that route. You gotta ask yourself, are you compressing for effect or compressing to restrain your dynamic range?

You gotta understand that buss compression in a daw and buss compression on a million dollar console are two different planets. Andy Wallace and those like him can easily afford to compress the master buss slightly for effect.

So don't be dissapointed you can't get it to spec. One method in that situation is tweaking starting out at the extremes.

For example, setting the threshold extremely low to begin with. Then tweaking your attack times, release times and ratios etc. to get it to sound as best you can at the extreme.

Once you feel you have it, then you just bring up your threshold until you've reached a level that sounds appropiate to your ear.


You could also try a couple layers of compression too. For example, rather than having one compressor in the chain, have two or three.



R Comp is a great compressor, but I never felt it to be a true master buss type of compressor, same with the C1. But I think it's more an issue of mixing inside the box than anything. I did recently get a chance to try out the waves SSL master buss compressor and I was a bit dissapointed.


Compared to the real life G-series, I felt it to be a bit too strong and slightly lacking in other areas. The essential character was kind of there, but in terms of being fluid, it just wasn't there. But this was just on a regular LE system.

So I think the issue is the kind of transparency and effect youre looking for.
 
LIMiT said:
as long as as the FINAL PRODUCT is how I want it to sound, and has enough headroom to work with.
-LIMiT
I have never understood that when people talk about leaving enought headroom to work with. ANyone heard of an input control? ;)

Eck
 
Eck,

I would highly recommend inserting a good hardware compressor on the main stereo bus especially if you're working in Rock. It helps to make the sound less like it came from a can. I guess "organic" would be a better term.

I've never been completely satisfied with digital compressors for this purpose. If anything I would tend to use them more as peak limiters then as a compressor so that they get out of the way most of the time.
 
I agree with Tom here. Outboard comps (especially the classics) have a certain "thickness" to them that I have yet to hear in a plugin. What I do find plugins to be a little better though is doing the whole "clean" compression thing where you can get away with some gain reduction without feeling comp'ed.
 
Cheers.
I suppose Im best leaving it to the mastering engineer.
I have faith in him as he has mastered U2.

Eck
 
ecktronic said:
Cheers.
I suppose Im best leaving it to the mastering engineer.
I have faith in him as he has mastered U2.

Eck

Cool!..

ask him what he thinks of mixing with a compressor on the buss.

Let us know what he says.

Cheers,

LIMiT
 
I wont be speaking with him for a while yet as we still have some more recording and mixing to do but Ill try and remember.
If you send us a PM in a month or so I will get back to you on that one.

Eck
 
waves SSL G-buss ...
best software buss compressor I have ever come across. I wish the demo never expired :(
 
ecktronic said:
Cheers.
I suppose Im best leaving it to the mastering engineer.
I have faith in him as he has mastered U2.

Eck

Eck, which ME?

U2 has had a few in their career, Arnie Acosta I believe being the main one for most of their recent albums.
 
I dont the mastering engineers name. Not sure if he was the main masterer or just did it once. Im sure he mastered Girls Aloud aswell if that helps any.

Eck
 
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