Starting from scratch... any advice please?

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I was just looking at getting something together so I can record my own songs, I want to set up in my house, Problem is I have to try and do this on a very limited budget.

Thing is my mum died when I was young and I've recently wrote a song about her that I'd like to give my Aunty ( Her Sister ) as a Xmas gift.

I have the instruments e.g guitar/piano/amp

I'm thinking of getting a digital computer keyboard, hopefully if someone could point me in the way of good software, something that will let me drum and add strings...

I really don't know where to start. Thank you for any helpor advice!

Paul
 
Limited budget

Reaper software
Recording interface
Mic-if you plan to mic an acoustic or vocals i would get a condensor mic...if you plan to mic an amp I would get a shure sm57 dynamic mic.


You will need to spend a few hundred bucks to get you there.

What we need to know is what are you mainly recording...keyboard,guitar,vocals ect.

You basically need a decent interface...Reaper can be used for free for a while so no need to spend cash for recording software.

Reaper

http://www.reaper.fm/

Dont try and record direct or through computer sound card...it sounds bad...invest the limited budget into and interface with phantom power and perhaps a mic and a midi controller...midi controller is like a small keyboard you can create music with using VSt instruments for a variety of sounds.
 
1) Define "limited budget"
2) do you intend to record a drum set?
3) Do you own any microphones?... what DO you have that you think might be pertinent?

You've come to the right place. :)
 
I was just looking at getting something together so I can record my own songs, I want to set up in my house, Problem is I have to try and do this on a very limited budget.

Thing is my mum died when I was young and I've recently wrote a song about her that I'd like to give my Aunty ( Her Sister ) as a Xmas gift.

I have the instruments e.g guitar/piano/amp

I'm thinking of getting a digital computer keyboard, hopefully if someone could point me in the way of good software, something that will let me drum and add strings...

I really don't know where to start. Thank you for any helpor advice!

Paul

Hi, my posts are becoming legendary in their awesomeness.

Read this carefully and then act. We will discuss Audio Interfaces in due course.

Reaper is the intelligent choice of DAW for both experienced and new users alike.

The following is a list of very HQ and very FREE plugins:

Boot EQMkII - channel strip with tube simulator...this rocks on vocals, especially the "sophisticated" preset ( make sure to roll off your low end EQ or rumble ). Be sure to read the accompanying manual :)

Epic Verb.... The best verb I heard ( until i get my NI reverb that is )..great on vox too. For a modern vocal presence sound simply select the default and switch the reverb to ambience and dial in the wet/dry mix. Be sure to read the accompanying manual :)

Nasty VCS ...effing fantastic channel strip that requires a bit of tweaking ( just like real life ). It has mic preamps, tube simulator, EQ and compression/limiting. Be sure to read the accompanying manual :)


All of these are available on the download page.

All of these also work flawlessly with Reaper ( which in itself has some very good plugins. Dont be put off by the resource saving, minimalist GUI's )


If you go the Reaper route, then with the money you save you can get one of the Native Instruments Komplete 7 pack. Either Komplete 7 ( 80 gigs of samples,synths and effects for $550 ) or Komplete 7 Elements ( 16 gig of samples,synths and effects for $120 ).

You may as well download and try Komplete 7 Players with is totally FREE. The included Kore Player is actually a very handy effects plugin in its own right.

So Yeah. Get Reaper on a fully functional 30 day trial and Komplete 7 Players to start out.


Taking my advice is the most awesome thing you could do right now.
 
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Thanks Cfox...lol..

Basically I have a digital piano which has MIDI ports, I also have a electric guitar and I have a very poor Mic, also I have an amp.

I would need something that I could use my Piano through software to play drums...if that makes sense.

My songs will only ever really need, Piano/Guitar/drums/strings/vocal.

I'm sorry but I don't know what the pluggins are?

Also regarding costs, Now after I posted the original comment, I discovered my piano has the MIDI ports, so there is a saving already! I have the guitar amp and leads.

I'm also registered on usenext so I may be able to get software through that, just need to know a prog that is not to complicated.

Sorry if I'm being confusing, I need maybe to invest in a decent mike and I need to understand pluggins and software.

Thanks again
 
You need to do some reading! MIDI is not audio, it is note information transmitted digitally.

Basically, you need:

Software - this will record the audio music in the computer, as mentioned Reaper and Audacity would be 2 free choices (Reaper asks you to pay if you like it)

Interface - this takes the audio information transmitted by your microphone, electric guitar or the audio output of your computer into digital signal that can then be routed into the computer for recording. The least expensive would be USB wiht 2 channels for around $125 new. Presonus, M-Audio, EMU are 3 brands to look at.

Microphone - a condensor style is best for vocals, but not absolutely necessary, if you're on a strict budget. A Shure SM57 can be had for under $100 if you shop around (don't forget a cable and mic stand).

Go to store sites like sweetwater.com,. musiciansfriend.com. etc and read reviews, as well as reading here.
 
You need to do some reading! MIDI is not audio, it is note information transmitted digitally.

Basically, you need:

Software - this will record the audio music in the computer, as mentioned Reaper and Audacity would be 2 free choices (Reaper asks you to pay if you like it)

Interface - this takes the audio information transmitted by your microphone, electric guitar or the audio output of your computer into digital signal that can then be routed into the computer for recording. The least expensive would be USB wiht 2 channels for around $125 new. Presonus, M-Audio, EMU are 3 brands to look at.

Microphone - a condensor style is best for vocals, but not absolutely necessary, if you're on a strict budget. A Shure SM57 can be had for under $100 if you shop around (don't forget a cable and mic stand).

Go to store sites like sweetwater.com,. musiciansfriend.com. etc and read reviews, as well as reading here.

Hi,

Thanks for your time, I'm sorry to be a bit Homer Simpson but are you saying my Digital Piano is no good for recording with laptop?

I ordered a Midi cable with USB end... My aim was to plug it in and record the piano and use it to do the drums/strings?

I'm so confused sorry!
 
Hi,
Once you have an audio interface (look at the M-Audio Fast Track or the Edirol UA-25), then you should plug in your digital piano to the audio interface, not your computer. To do this you can use midi to midi cables, because the audio interface should usually have a midi input on the back, which lets you plug in your piano. Overall if you plug it into the Audio Interface it will have much better quality sound.
I have attached a picture of the M-Audio Fast Track Pro and how to use it. For the Edirol UA-25, the setup should be similar to the picture.
If you want a good quality budget microphone for vocals (it can also work quite well if you sing and play guitar into it) is the Audio Technica AT2020, which costs roughly £99.
For the software, I personally use Mixcraft 5, just because it is much easier to use than Reaper and other programs, plus it is cheaper to buy and you can also use the free Mixcraft 5 trial.
The best way to plug in your guitar into your audio interface, is to use a DI Box. Not neccesary, but it improves the quality. Look at the Behringer DI-20 for a cheap one. All you do to use it, is to plug your guitar into the DI box, then use another guitar cable to connect the DI box to the audio interface.
Simple!
I hope this answers all of your problems!
Katie :D
 

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Hi

If you just want to record one song, one time, go to a studio that specialises in this. They're not hard to find. Don't worry about buying gear and learning to use it - there often is a signficant learning curve.

If you want to record generally, and this is just a starter for you, then the posts above will help you.

This particular post is officially not awesome... true dat.
 
Hi

If you just want to record one song, one time, go to a studio that specialises in this. They're not hard to find. Don't worry about buying gear and learning to use it - there often is a signficant learning curve.

If you want to record generally, and this is just a starter for you, then the posts above will help you.

This particular post is officially not awesome... true dat.

I was going to recommend this the first time I saw this post. It might still be worth it to buy all your own gear, but you can learn a lot from a first experience at a pro studio, especially if you have a deadline to get the song finished. Be sure to ask plenty of questions when you go.
 
Hi,
Once you have an audio interface (look at the M-Audio Fast Track or the Edirol UA-25), then you should plug in your digital piano to the audio interface, not your computer. To do this you can use midi to midi cables, because the audio interface should usually have a midi input on the back, which lets you plug in your piano. Overall if you plug it into the Audio Interface it will have much better quality sound.


Katie :D

Admittedly as a guitarist I'm not a MIDI guru, but how is plugging a keyboard into MIDI sockets on an audio interface going to get the sound of the piano into the computer as you advise Katie?

You still need to get the audio into the software, you'd only use the MIDI to hook the piano up to another sound source (which, I grant you, could be a sound library on the PC) or sequencing program is the way I understand it. MIDI isn't audio.
 
Admittedly as a guitarist I'm not a MIDI guru, but how is plugging a keyboard into MIDI sockets on an audio interface going to get the sound of the piano into the computer as you advise Katie?

You still need to get the audio into the software, you'd only use the MIDI to hook the piano up to another sound source (which, I grant you, could be a sound library on the PC) or sequencing program is the way I understand it. MIDI isn't audio.

For Audio Interface with midi why not the awesome Audio Kontrol 1. Now shipping with New York Concert Grand....and Cubase Lite. Although I still recommend Reaper.
 
Admittedly as a guitarist I'm not a MIDI guru, but how is plugging a keyboard into MIDI sockets on an audio interface going to get the sound of the piano into the computer as you advise Katie?

You still need to get the audio into the software, you'd only use the MIDI to hook the piano up to another sound source (which, I grant you, could be a sound library on the PC) or sequencing program is the way I understand it. MIDI isn't audio.

You're right.

MIDI out from the keyboard will only send the note information to the computer/DAW, not audio. The info has to be used to drive a VSTi or what have you. I prefer to record most of my keys/strings/synths as MIDI even if I'm using sounds on my keyboard (MIDI out from the DAW can drive the keyboard) as it preserves a whole lot of flexibility if I want to change the key of the song.
 
Does anyone know if I have to buy a certain Audio interface with a matching software programme? thanks
 
Does anyone know if I have to buy a certain Audio interface with a matching software programme? thanks

Protools limits your hardware to supported choices. Some (very few) softwares are Mac only or PC only. Most of the most popular choices are open to whatever equipment and operating system you prefer. As many have suggested, Reaper is a great choice and will run with any hardware and os you choose.
 
I dont know what GOOD advice i can give you cause im nowhere near as experienced as half the guys on this post. However in the 2 months that ive been putting my own studio together/banging head against wall, ive learned a few things that i wish someone woulda to old me before i got started, so i guess ill tell you and you take or leave what you want! First thing i wish someone woulda told me when i started is, MAKE SURE YOURE RUNNING WINDOWS XP (if youre a pc guy). If you use a mac youre probably fine but when youre new you dont think about things like a compatability issue. And no one thinks to tell you. I dont know much about vista, but win7 is a GREAT os but is also a great hassle for a number of reasons that i wont get into to keep this post semi short. IT does not look like engineers will be leaving behind xp anytime soon so stick with that.
The other thing is like one of the other posters said, MIDI is not recording audio. Theyre called midi controllers for a reason, like when you play one of those games on the wii? Youre swinging your arm around with the controller and the samurai on the game does the same thing, but youre not actually fighting in real life. With a midi controller say you play a C chord and then a D chord on your keyboard, the computer will receive data saying you held a C chord for this long and then a D chord for this long, but it wont be played in the voice you selected on your keyboard, (if you use a keyboard that also works as a midi controller), but rather whatever voice you select in the software synthesizer you use. Im sure someone here can explain it better than i can, i understand if its confusing. another very important thing, im sure this is a no brainer to most of the people here, you will be doing yourself a world of good to learn the difference between inputs and outputs, its not that hard to understand but it can get confusing once you get to talking about things like monitors (or at least it was to me). I guess the only other thing i can tell you is do your research. I mean more than just read up, if youre at sam ash or guitar center or whatever is your store of choice, and youre thinking about buying a product and theres info you want thats not on the box, then AsK. WHat you ask will usually be a common sense answer to someone who works there but so what if it makes you feel silly, youll feel even more embarassed driving back the next day to take back a product you didnt even know you couldnt use when you bought it yesterday lol. Or maybe that was just me :(.
So:
1. make sure you got XP OS
2. If you want your song to sound as it does on your keyboard go audio, not midi
3. Get an interface that has its own preamps and phantom power.
4. know the difference between input and output (believe me if you dont youll walk out of the store with some 20 dollar cables youre never going to need lol)
5. If you want to know something about a product ASK, no matter how silly your question might be. Just remember if you gotta take something back they wont be so happy to give you back your money.

I know this aint the best advice but i hope it helps!
 
I dont know what GOOD advice i can give you.
Don't you believe it !
I know this aint the best advice but i hope it helps!
Whether it was the best is open to debate. It's also irrelevant. Because that, from a newbie to another newbie, in my opinion, was excellent advice.
 
You are getting a lot of good advice here.

Specifically, if I were you, I would get:

Mic: SM57 or used oktava mk319 ($100)
Interface: Emu 0404 USB ($200)
Software: Reaper ($60)

If you have a nice sounding room, get the mk319, otherwise the sm57.
 
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