Speaking of sucking...

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well, the first thing that came to my head when I heard "Future Junk" was actually not the most obvious...but, to me it was..becuase I respect you so much.

I took it as "Hey - this is the music that people will realize was this shit...in like 20 years!" Like...that you are so ahead of your time, or something. That was what I meant by "could be egotistical, depending on how it is taken).

Of course, the other way of looking at it...this music will be shit/junk in 20 years. Which is probably what you meant by it...

As far as A&R, I definately hope to be. I mean, that is my real eventual goal in all of this...is to get my production/engineering /musician skills to a decent level...build some kind of a reputation for myself....and then start an indie label.

Hopefully an indie that could convince potentially "big acts" that there is a better way than the majors, and that they shouldn't neccessarily jump ship when Capitol comes knocking on the door.

I dunno, I just believe in indie arts in general. i think film is making great headway...and before too long we're going to see the indie bands that can sell out a 25,000 person venue - maybe without even having their records in Best Buy.
 
macle said:
Oh no, the A word again. :rolleyes: Just to be clear, I never said that I never use Autotune *gasp* (Kramer leaves to go delete his illegal Macle sites. ;) ) I've admitted it here before, so it's no big news. But, I don't think this is what WATYF is hearing because he would be hearing it on Despair as well. I'm not saying I like Autotune, and it's better to not have to use it, but it comes in handy when something's out of tune :p , so I'm not gonna not use it just to be a purist. In that case, no multiple takes, no punching, no comping, no layering, no editing, no EQ, no reverb, no delay, no compression, no nothing, which would eliminate pretty much all the great pop records as well as the shitty ones. I think there are a lot worse things then using Autotune, and in trying to compete with "real" recordings. in which they've got every advantage and then some, I'm gonna do what I can recording at home. WATYF, you could very well be right that this artificialness you're hearing is something that shouldn't be there or could be improved by a pro who knew what they were doing, but I have to say that I hear a lot of pro songs that sound really artificial, from obvious vocal tuning to just an all around artificial sound. I appreciate your feedback on this, as well as others who mentioned it. So, anyway, I hope you don't think I'm a whore, but if I am, I am a stupid one, cuz I keep giving it away for free. :D

Macle

P.S. I know the A word is a volatile subject, so I hope this thread doesn't turn into an argument about that, I've got to get back to Wes's thesis on our music, which is way more interesting!
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We're on the same page on this topic. If I can use vocal doubling and compression and a touch a reverb to make my voice sound better than it would ever sound live, than why can't I use autotune? At the same time, if I rely on it, then I've got issues. :p I also notice many professional recordings that use autotune (or that have an artificial sound).. the first that comes to mind is Lit... that guy's voice sounds so autotuned on their stuff, it's not even funny. For me personally, that's a "turn-off"... but heck.. some people like the obvious use of autotune thing (a la "Cher"). In general, though, there are many professional engineers who know how to use a large number of "enhancements" without making it sound obvoius that they're using,... uh.. a large number of enhancements. :p Maybe it's just that your use of "effects" ;) on this song are a little more noticeable than your use of "effects" on your other stuff... :p Either way, my earlier comment meant no more to me than if I had said, "there was a stray drum beat in the chorus" or "the guitars were too loud in the bridge" or something... I think it's the way that the A word is percieved around here that made so big of a deal oat of this. :p

In any event.. this is all semantics... It's still a great recording... but I'm not here to kiss your @ss and tell you how great you are... :p We're all here to keep each other on our toes, and encourage each other to continuously improve... at least... that's what I used to think this forum was for... :(


WATYF


(P.S. you're still cool.. even if you do use autotune.. ;) And you can be sure that I would also be using it, if it weren't for the fact that autotune doesn't "like" Windows XP... I tried to load it once on my system and it went berserk. :( )
 
which "autotune" did you load onto your system?

i've never even known what to buy if I *did* want it.
 
a medified dog-I hear what you're saying. Angst is my (other) middle name. Thanks again. :)

A Reel Person-I like cheesy teen pop, too, (sometimes, sort of, depending...) we shall take that as a compliment. :)

Buffalo Bob-Thanks! We hope to have a CD out before forever is up, though we're not promising anything. Thanks again!

alibish-Thanks very much. Yes, the verse progression is very "Dear Prudence", Stratomaster caught that, too. I didn't really think the melody was, though, but maybe it is. But, actually I'm glad that influence comes through. Don't not post on account of this! Looking forward to a new one.

Bob and alibish-The secret is lots of sugar and butter, but too much, and you'll feel nauseous and pass out. (seriously, my site goes down if I put up too many songs, if there's any song in particular you want to hear, let me know.)

Aren- Thanks Oren!

Wes-Your first thought on "Future Junk", huh, that's pretty good, I mean what a postive way to look at it. I was definitely meaning the second one. I had a stupid idea for the cover, a picture of the CD in a cutout bin or used bin in a thrift store or something, marked down to a quarter or something. So you could see the cover on the cover on the cover, etc. I think it's great you want to start an indie label. I'll respond to your email soon.

WATYF-Yeah, the bit about relying on it, or overdoing it, not good (I think this is what Kramer was getting at). I certainly don't like the way it sounds, and I definitely want to get away from using it. But, it's a bit of drag that if you admit to using it, you have to feel dirty and ashamed, like you're a useless scumbag, part of the axis of evil, living in fraudville!, and all the hard work you put in means nothing. :( :p :D I'm sure, though, that what you're hearing is tight double tracking combined with the tone of Max's voice (the A plugin doesn't work at all on gritty singing, btw). Anyway, I'd be curious to hear a pro recording that you think has "enhancements", but doesn't sound artificial. Can you recommend something? Thanks. And I do appreciate your comments, good and bad, that is why I post here. Thanks again.

Macle
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Macle - I've only got a couple of yours - This Sucks and Got Love.

They're both excellent. I'd really like to hear the rest. Could you email them to me or something?

alastairbishop@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance

AB
 
WATYF-Yeah, the bit about relying on it, or overdoing it, not good (I think this is what Kramer was getting at). I certainly don't like the way it sounds, and I definitely want to get away from using it. But, it's a bit of drag that if you admit to using it, you have to feel dirty and ashamed, like you're a useless scumbag, part of the axis of evil, living in fraudville!, and all the hard work you put in means nothing. I'm sure, though, that what you're hearing is tight double tracking combined with the tone of Max's voice (the A plugin doesn't work at all on gritty singing, btw). Anyway, I'd be curious to hear a pro recording that you think has "enhancements", but doesn't sound artificial. Can you recommend something? Thanks. And I do appreciate your comments, good and bad, that is why I post here. Thanks again.
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I don't think any less of your stuff just because of that. You can't "manufacture" what you've got using Autotune... (or any other plug-in, for that matter.. :p )

I'll try and think of some examples... I don't have any off the top of my head.

WATYF
 
macle said:
WATYF-Yeah, the bit about relying on it, or overdoing it, not good (I think this is what Kramer was getting at).
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Thats exactly what I was gettin at.;)

I think a pop record should be perfect and if autotune is part of the perfection thats ok.(if it's used as a tool and not a crutch for someone who cant carry a tune in a bucket.:D )

I Still dig you guys as much as ever!:cool:
 
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Macle (and Kramer) - thank you very much for putting up some more tunes. I'm downloading them as I type this.

I'm mixing my new tune today, but I'll listen to your songs and PM you some comments some time this week.

I really appreciate the effort.

Cheers

AB
 
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