macle
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hey Wes, while I was writing my book report, you were writing yours! I'm gonna have to comment later, I'll be back...
Macle
hey Wes, while I was writing my book report, you were writing yours! I'm gonna have to comment later, I'll be back...Macle
Kramer
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I KNEW there was no autotune.
I've recorded a LOT of doubled/layered vocals and It's easy to tell the difference between auto tune and someone who can sing indentical multiple takes....layered vocals are smooth when they are this tight!
Pop Music cant live without them.
Have you dealt with doubled Vocals very much WATYF?Im thinking no since you're the one who made the evil auto-tune remark.
j/k
Max's vocals rock!
Kramer
I've recorded a LOT of doubled/layered vocals and It's easy to tell the difference between auto tune and someone who can sing indentical multiple takes....layered vocals are smooth when they are this tight!Pop Music cant live without them.
Have you dealt with doubled Vocals very much WATYF?Im thinking no since you're the one who made the evil auto-tune remark.
j/kMax's vocals rock!
Kramer
wes480
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Macle-
on that way earlier post where I said "colorful...black etc" - I have no clue why I typed it like that, just thinking ahead of myself.
What I meant was "Maybe you needed a bit more color...instead of having just the b&w faces..." in response to what someone said about them not matching the music.
Though, as my book report said - I think the b&w "faces" would be killer on top of the said "pop fantasy" color.
"Future Junk" could be a cool album name...actually I really like it. Kind of egotistical depending on how it is taken (avant garde..or whatever). But I think "Buzz Is Over" fits the whole theme better...and is catchier....more ways to read into it.
on that way earlier post where I said "colorful...black etc" - I have no clue why I typed it like that, just thinking ahead of myself.
What I meant was "Maybe you needed a bit more color...instead of having just the b&w faces..." in response to what someone said about them not matching the music.
Though, as my book report said - I think the b&w "faces" would be killer on top of the said "pop fantasy" color.
"Future Junk" could be a cool album name...actually I really like it. Kind of egotistical depending on how it is taken (avant garde..or whatever). But I think "Buzz Is Over" fits the whole theme better...and is catchier....more ways to read into it.
wes480
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oh...on being called a drummer...
hehe, I think there are two ways that sum up your drumming best - "Abbey Road"
(Octopus's Garden...Mean Mr. Mustard...)
honestly though the fills in that album are one of my fav. parts of it. esp. towards the end when the fills "join" all of the tracks together.
hehe, I think there are two ways that sum up your drumming best - "Abbey Road"
(Octopus's Garden...Mean Mr. Mustard...)
honestly though the fills in that album are one of my fav. parts of it. esp. towards the end when the fills "join" all of the tracks together.
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a modified dog
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My ears are just beginning to improve, so you can take this for what it's worth. I think "This Sucks" (TS from now on) is fine as is and ready to go. Same goes for other stuff you've done.
There's been some use of the words "cheesy" and "teen" and " pop" in this thread. I never listen to radio and hardly follow the news; I live in a cave, so I don't know about current trends and stuff. That being said, TS doesn't hit me as pop. It's far to good for that. Talent is in evidence. Is Rikki Lee Jones pop? Jimi Hendrix? Janis Joplin? Jewel? I don't know or care, I know what I like.
I know this isn't helpful in a practical sense, but it's probably good to hear.
I can relate to your angst... "is it any good? will anyone besides my wife like it? do I have a clue about what I'm doing here?" At some point I have to stop and call it done, or I'd never get to the next tune.
... and other highly ambient domains,
a modified dog
There's been some use of the words "cheesy" and "teen" and " pop" in this thread. I never listen to radio and hardly follow the news; I live in a cave, so I don't know about current trends and stuff. That being said, TS doesn't hit me as pop. It's far to good for that. Talent is in evidence. Is Rikki Lee Jones pop? Jimi Hendrix? Janis Joplin? Jewel? I don't know or care, I know what I like.
I know this isn't helpful in a practical sense, but it's probably good to hear.
I can relate to your angst... "is it any good? will anyone besides my wife like it? do I have a clue about what I'm doing here?" At some point I have to stop and call it done, or I'd never get to the next tune.
... and other highly ambient domains,
a modified dog
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
I like cheesy teen pop!
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a modified dog
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Kramer said:
What's WATYF?
held hostage at a presbytary,
Gorilla Monsoon
Buffalo Bob
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"This Sucks" does not suck. You two could not possibly suck, even if you tried! I'm waiting for the CD - but I won't wait forever. Don't make me come over there!
Bob
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Kramer
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a modified dog said:
Look at the top of this page and you'll see.
He's a poster here.Read the whole thread and you'll see him.
alibish
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Great stuff macle.
Good tune, excellent vocal arrangement.
Superb vocal performance from your girlfriend. I really like the grittiness, and the SSSSS's.
The woo-hoos were funny, especially because you only did them once. 1:00 is very cool. "Get a clue" around 2:14 is great. So is "all we know is" a wee bit later.
Like the wah-wah too.
But I have to say - the chords, melody and harmony in the verses are very similar to "Dear Prudence". But if you're going to nick stuff, nick the best
I was going to post something new myself, but now I think I'll listen to "This Sucks" on repeat, and cry.
PS Where can I find your other tracks? The link at the start only seems to have the one song.
Good tune, excellent vocal arrangement.
Superb vocal performance from your girlfriend. I really like the grittiness, and the SSSSS's.
The woo-hoos were funny, especially because you only did them once. 1:00 is very cool. "Get a clue" around 2:14 is great. So is "all we know is" a wee bit later.
Like the wah-wah too.
But I have to say - the chords, melody and harmony in the verses are very similar to "Dear Prudence". But if you're going to nick stuff, nick the best
I was going to post something new myself, but now I think I'll listen to "This Sucks" on repeat, and cry.
PS Where can I find your other tracks? The link at the start only seems to have the one song.
Buffalo Bob
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He only wants you to have one at a time- his stuff is very fattening!
alibish
Hotrod Cadet
It may be fattening, but it tastes so good...
WATYF
...happier than you.
I wasn't aware that saying something sounds "autotune-ish" was akin to calling someone's mother a whore.. I'll try to keep that in mind for next time.. 
I have worked with doubled vocals.. but.. uh.. that really doesn't mean a heck of a lot. I have very little confidence that I could ever make one vocal take sound the exact same as another... I can barely handle breathing while I'm attempting to "sing", let alone mimicing the same pattern two identical times in a row. (*egad* ) I don't really know much of what I'm doing when it comes to recording... so I don't mind getting an "autotune" sound mixed up with a "doubled vocal" sound (or a "chorus" sound or a "compressed" sound)... Either way, it sounded too "artificial" to me, and that was something I didn't notice aboot his other stuff, therefore I wanted to mention it, since I saw it as being a step backwards in vocal technique.
I do know that the professional industry uses these techniques (autotune, doubling, etc.) up the wazoo.. but the difference is, they know how to make it sound more like they're not using a bunch of artificial "techniques". Quite frankly, though, I don't think Max (is that her name?) really needs a whole lot of help from any "techniques"... I thought her vocal was great in Despair without all the "artificial additives and preservatives".
I think Macle's on the right track, though,.. he wants a pro sound without sounding "artificial".. and while he hasn't arrived at that yet, I have no doubt that he will get there.
WATYF
I have worked with doubled vocals.. but.. uh.. that really doesn't mean a heck of a lot. I have very little confidence that I could ever make one vocal take sound the exact same as another... I can barely handle breathing while I'm attempting to "sing", let alone mimicing the same pattern two identical times in a row. (*egad*
) I don't really know much of what I'm doing when it comes to recording... so I don't mind getting an "autotune" sound mixed up with a "doubled vocal" sound (or a "chorus" sound or a "compressed" sound)... Either way, it sounded too "artificial" to me, and that was something I didn't notice aboot his other stuff, therefore I wanted to mention it, since I saw it as being a step backwards in vocal technique.I do know that the professional industry uses these techniques (autotune, doubling, etc.) up the wazoo.. but the difference is, they know how to make it sound more like they're not using a bunch of artificial "techniques". Quite frankly, though, I don't think Max (is that her name?) really needs a whole lot of help from any "techniques"... I thought her vocal was great in Despair without all the "artificial additives and preservatives".
I think Macle's on the right track, though,.. he wants a pro sound without sounding "artificial".. and while he hasn't arrived at that yet, I have no doubt that he will get there.
WATYF
Kramer
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WATYF said:I wasn't aware that saying something sounds "autotune-ish" was akin to calling someone's mother a whore.. I'll try to keep that in mind for next time..
WATYF
LMAO!Thats a gem man.....thats about the right comparison!
I love doubled vocals in Pop music but I hate autotune.It's too much of a crutch.....might as well be a dj if you're gonna sing with autotune exclusively!
p.s. You could sing the same thing twice watyf...you just have to do a lot of punching in and out doing pieces at a time until you get the second vocal to match the first....it just takes time and patience......you dont have to sing a second vocal straight through each time.......take it verse by verse line by line.
WATYF
...happier than you.
You obviously haven't heard me sing...Kramer said:p.s. You could sing the same thing twice watyf...you just have to do a lot of punching in and out doing pieces at a time until you get the second vocal to match the first....it just takes time and patience......you dont have to sing a second vocal straight through each time.......take it verse by verse line by line.
WATYF
macle
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Wow, a lot of homework here, and I still haven't graded Wes's book report yet.
Oh no, the A word again. Just to be clear, I never said that I never use Autotune *gasp* (Kramer leaves to go delete his illegal Macle sites. ) I've admitted it here before, so it's no big news. But, I don't think this is what WATYF is hearing because he would be hearing it on Despair as well. I'm not saying I like Autotune, and it's better to not have to use it, but it comes in handy when something's out of tune , so I'm not gonna not use it just to be a purist. In that case, no multiple takes, no punching, no comping, no layering, no editing, no EQ, no reverb, no delay, no compression, no nothing, which would eliminate pretty much all the great pop records as well as the shitty ones. I think there are a lot worse things then using Autotune, and in trying to compete with "real" recordings. in which they've got every advantage and then some, I'm gonna do what I can recording at home. WATYF, you could very well be right that this artificialness you're hearing is something that shouldn't be there or could be improved by a pro who knew what they were doing, but I have to say that I hear a lot of pro songs that sound really artificial, from obvious vocal tuning to just an all around artificial sound. I appreciate your feedback on this, as well as others who mentioned it. So, anyway, I hope you don't think I'm a whore, but if I am, I am a stupid one, cuz I keep giving it away for free.
Macle
P.S. I know the A word is a volatile subject, so I hope this thread doesn't turn into an argument about that, I've got to get back to Wes's thesis on our music, which is way more interesting!
Oh no, the A word again.
Just to be clear, I never said that I never use Autotune *gasp* (Kramer leaves to go delete his illegal Macle sites. ) I've admitted it here before, so it's no big news. But, I don't think this is what WATYF is hearing because he would be hearing it on Despair as well. I'm not saying I like Autotune, and it's better to not have to use it, but it comes in handy when something's out of tune , so I'm not gonna not use it just to be a purist. In that case, no multiple takes, no punching, no comping, no layering, no editing, no EQ, no reverb, no delay, no compression, no nothing, which would eliminate pretty much all the great pop records as well as the shitty ones. I think there are a lot worse things then using Autotune, and in trying to compete with "real" recordings. in which they've got every advantage and then some, I'm gonna do what I can recording at home. WATYF, you could very well be right that this artificialness you're hearing is something that shouldn't be there or could be improved by a pro who knew what they were doing, but I have to say that I hear a lot of pro songs that sound really artificial, from obvious vocal tuning to just an all around artificial sound. I appreciate your feedback on this, as well as others who mentioned it. So, anyway, I hope you don't think I'm a whore, but if I am, I am a stupid one, cuz I keep giving it away for free. Macle
P.S. I know the A word is a volatile subject, so I hope this thread doesn't turn into an argument about that, I've got to get back to Wes's thesis on our music, which is way more interesting!
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macle
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Wes- I'm gonna give your book report an A+. Too bad you aren't an A&R guy. You're pretty much right on, and I love the phrase "intentional cheese". Maybe that should be the title. Er, maybe not. One thing, as far as the musical identity, I know sometimes I make comments about that, like negative ones about this song, for example, but it's really just certain aspects, things that I personally don't like, or would have like to have changed. The general overall musical identity is pretty much right and good to me, and to me, was the best way of making the two of us work (since we really are different in a lot of ways, musically). So, it's really great that you get it and think it's working, makes me feel good, cuz I had to go to hell and back to do it this way, as opposed to the road it was gonna go down.
Let's see, there were other things I was gonna say, but I've gone blank...well, if I think of it...uh...oh well....
Thanks for all your continued enthusiasm!
Macle
Too bad you aren't an A&R guy. You're pretty much right on, and I love the phrase "intentional cheese". Maybe that should be the title. Er, maybe not. One thing, as far as the musical identity, I know sometimes I make comments about that, like negative ones about this song, for example, but it's really just certain aspects, things that I personally don't like, or would have like to have changed. The general overall musical identity is pretty much right and good to me, and to me, was the best way of making the two of us work (since we really are different in a lot of ways, musically). So, it's really great that you get it and think it's working, makes me feel good, cuz I had to go to hell and back to do it this way, as opposed to the road it was gonna go down. Let's see, there were other things I was gonna say, but I've gone blank...well, if I think of it...uh...oh well....
Thanks for all your continued enthusiasm!
Macle
macle
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Wes-Oh yeah, I was wondering what you think "Future Junk" means, that is, I'm not sure I understand what you said regarding it. I'm curious about that. And the Abbey Road drumming, yeah, the best. His playing and feel and the sound on that is magic. I read an interview with Geoff Emerick where he talks about recording the drums on that. He used 12 microphones just on the drums!
Gotta go,
Macle
Gotta go,
Macle
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Aren
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This is so good...
Oren
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a modified dog
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Kramer said:
Look at the top of this page and you'll see.
Read the whole thread and you'll see him.
Further proof that my meds need to be adjusted