soundcard advice

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my first steps weren't that succesful, though i wont give up ;)

my equipment:
- midi keyboard
- pc system (1,5 ghz 256 ram)
- guitar
- muse xl soundcard

- cubase 5
- reason
- vst plugs (absynth, halion, ...)

its impossible to record something via keyboard or guitar without a horrible delay, which is due to my soundcard, right?

if yes, which soundcard shall i buy if i want to
- use my midi-keyboard without delay
- record my guitar (i dont care too much about the quality, i just want to have some synch...)

thx
 
This is double-posting, which is not a good idea -- the more places you have to check for answers, the harder it is to keep stuff straight. People also find it tiresome to see the same question repeated over and over. Not to mention that people will spend time answering your question when it might have already been answered completely in another one of the forums - if you keep it in one place they will see all the replies and so not waster their time. I've even had the experience where I answered one question, and later saw it again and wondered, "didn't I already answer that?", then replied again, and discovered later I'd answered twice.

OK, now that that's out of the way... I'll reiterate what TexRoadKill said in your other post: you should not have latency problems as you describe with any soundcard; if you do you are doing something wrong.

Perhaps if you describe what you are doing and how you are attempting it, one of us can see what you're doing wrong and point it out. You should be able to get reasonably good results with what you have.
 
thank you. i apologise for posting twice, but i am a newbie (also concerning the use of this system) and never done this things before.

okay. concerning my problem:

i use cubase - i select a midi track. i select a virtual instrument. i do not record anything yet. i hit a key on my keyboard and get my ass out of the room to have a cool drink. afterwards i come back and here the tone i played. u see? okay, it's not that bad, but it sucks especially when recording. its nearly impossible.
maybe there are some options in cubase i done wrong. (it took me a long time to find out that i had to activate "midi-thru" to hear what i am playing).

there's another thing: who can explain the synch-options. there is a midi-click and an audio-click. what is what? and why are they absolutly NOT synched when both are activated?

next point is recording guitar. sometime i ago i recorded my guitar using cool edit 2000 and this worked quite well. but using cubase i cant manage it.

btw, cubase shows a latency of 43 ms when using 48.000 khz.
is it high, is it low?

being a newbie sucks... ;(
but i hope you guys can help me. and please excuse my terrible english, it's not my mother tongue....

thank you.
 
i apologise for posting twice, but i am a newbie (also concerning the use of this system) and never done this things before.

It's OK, I did the same thing when I first came here and somebody straightened me out pretty soon after...

okay. concerning my problem:

i use cubase - i select a midi track. i select a virtual instrument. i do not record anything yet. i hit a key on my keyboard and get my ass out of the room to have a cool drink. afterwards i come back and here the tone i played. u see? okay, it's not that bad, but it sucks especially when recording. its nearly impossible.
maybe there are some options in cubase i done wrong. (it took me a long time to find out that i had to activate "midi-thru" to hear what i am playing).

The problem is that you are attempting to play a virtual instrument in real time through Cubase without ASIO drivers. I have the same issue in SONAR with DXi virtual synths and MME drivers rather than WDM drivers.

Does the Muse have a hardware synth? If so, you can use that to record with, and then switch the device playinf the parts back to the softsynths. Not a perfect solution but a reasonable workaround.

Otherwise you might try to see if it's possible to get ASIO drivers for that card -- or get another card that does have ASIO drivers. But now we're back to you having to by another card, and I was so trying not to go there.

there's another thing: who can explain the synch-options. there is a midi-click and an audio-click. what is what? and why are they absolutly NOT synched when both are activated?

You must mean MIDI Clock and audio clock.

I'm not sure about how this is implemented in Cubase, and I hesitate to say anything without my trusty reference books at hand (I'm not at my studio machine), but I believe the audio clock is using the soundcard's hardware clock reference, while MIDI clock is a system real-time MIDI message that enables the synchronization of different MIDI devices (standard rate is 24 divisions per beat). You would use MIDI clock to synch to an external MIDI sequencer. You can probably see that the resolution of the hardware chip timing reference is way finer than that of MIDI clock. A MIDI Clock is way too sloppy to be a suitable digital audio timing reference.

next point is recording guitar. sometime i ago i recorded my guitar using cool edit 2000 and this worked quite well. but using cubase i cant manage it.

I have no idea why, it should be just as straightforward as it was in CoolEdit. Perhaps you can give us more info.

btw, cubase shows a latency of 43 ms when using 48.000 khz. is it high, is it low?
Seems high to me, certainly too high for decent real-time performance from a softsynth.

i hope you guys can help me. and please excuse my terrible english, it's not my mother tongue....
Hey, I have to tell you, your English is just fine... your grammar and spelling are far better than probably two-thirds of the people that post here that are from the States. My estimate may be off, as there are some people who think it's clever to write things like

"kin u help me wif my problem cuz I need ur help I cant get enuff trax r my plugz 2 cpu-intensive?"

without capitalization or punctuation, and it's hard to tell sometimes whether they are merely under-educated, actively stupid, or just think they're hip...
 
THX

okay, first of all i really want to thank you, alchuck for your great support. you seem to be a rockin' man. hehe.

i never thought it would be so efficient, using this system here.

but you guys ROCK!

;)

okay, concerning my problem:

i think i found a solution: i'm about to get myself another soundcard *gg*

midiman Delta Audiophile 2496

i think it's exactly what i need...
your ideas?
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