SOUND QUALITY

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HI HERRINGSCALES,
I'VE HAD A PORTASTUDIO FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS AND RECENTLY BOUGHT A SONY 2 TRACK MINIDISC FOR MIXDOWN BEFORE BURNING A C.D.
THE SOUND QUALITY IS MUCH BETTER THAN I EXPECTED.
THERE IS NO COMPARISION BETWEEN THE CASSETTE SOUND AND ANY DITIGAL SOUND.
THE SOUND IS SO GOOD I BOUNCE 4 TRACKS FROM THE PORTASTUDIO TO THE MINIDISC THEN BACK TO USE FOR MY BACKING TRACKS.THE ONLY PROBLEM IS TO GET THE REST OF MY TRACKS TO SOUND AS GOOD.
FOR MIXDOWN I ASSEMBLE ALL OF MY SONGS FROM THE PORTASTUDIO TO THE MINIDISC THEN I CAN TRIM THEM AND NAME THEM.THEN I USE THE DITIGAL OUTPUT FROM THE MINIDISC TO THE CD BURNER.THE BEST FEATURE OF IT IS IT HAS A KEYBOARD INPUT.
I WOULD SAY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT DEFINATLY GO FOR DITIGAL.I AM LOOKING INTO BUYING A DITIGAL MULTITRACK NOW AND THE BEST DEALS LOOK LIKE EITHER AN ADAT,LX20-1000$,XT20-1300$,TASCAM 788-899$,SONY MDM-X4MKII-699$
THE ADATS ARE TAPE SO YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT AND GET A MIXER.AND NO VIRTUAL STUFF
THE TASCAM IS HARDDISC WITH 7.5 GIGS OF SPACE WITH 24/44 RECORDING BUT NO REVIEWS YET (TO NEW) AND NO DEDICATED OUTPUTS ONLY STEREO.ALSO THERE ARE MANY MENUS TO GO THROUGH WITH ONLY A SMALL SCREEN.
THE SONY SOUNDS GOOD AND THE PRICE IS GOOD.I LOVE THE ONE I HAVE.ALSO NO REVIEWS YET THOUGH BUT I READ IT DOES VIRTUAL TRACKS BUT DON'T QUOTE ME,IM STILL RESEARCHING.
I DON'T MEAN TO DOWNPLAY ANY OF THESE UNITS,BUT IF YOUR LIKE ME YOU WANT AN EASY TO USE UNIT THAT SOUNDS GOOD,YOU CAN AFFORD, AND WILL LAST.(P.S. ROLAND HARD DISCS ARE WAY TO SMALL AND I'VE READ FOSTEX AND SOME YAMMAHAS ARE NOT TO RELIABLE)
GOOD LUCK
PETE
 
I'm like you. I mix down to MiniDisc, and also burn CD's with my PC. I have a Sony MD, but I don't think it has a keyboard input. What is your Sony model# ?

People dog the MiniDisc, or shy away from it, but I think MD is great. The sound is fantastic, even though people complain about the data compression, but I don't think the data compression makes any audible difference.

Sure, CDR has taken over, and CD is really the universal standard, but MD has a niche market. It's great to have both MD and CDR.

I'm also a Portastudio person, and an 8 track reel person.

I'm also looking for a recorder upgrade, but I'm having a lot of trouble. New analog reel recorders aren't being made any more, and digitals are everywhere now. Features are WAY UP, and prices are still high, but no higher than comparable decks were, in the days of analog. (Digital) complexity is high. I have real 'use-ability' issues with digital, in that they seem 'user un-friendly', to me. I'm also afraid that they may be so new and complex, that they'd have their fair share of 'bugs', too.

I haven't seen any digital workstation or digital-porta-studio-type box that seemed easy to use. Roland, Tascam, Akai, Yamaha, Fostex, etc... have those multifunction LCD displays, and lots of buttons and menus.

I'm turned off by the learning curve all these units present. Also, I think small units are great, but at a certain point, things can get too small. The LCD displays on all of these units are pathetically small. How are you supposed to see all these tiny little parameters from any distance?

Currently, I'm stuck, with regard to upgrading my track count, but I'm still looking, and considering my options.

The standalone's, like the mx2424 and the Mackie 24/96 seem great, but very complex units. Likewise, Fostex makes some really attractive HDD recorders. It's very interesting to line up all the newest HDD recorders, and try to compare. It's not very easy, but the newest units all offer a lot, and should be considered. DTRS's and ADAT's are also something lots of people like and use. The choices are very hard.

I don't see any one clear choice, yet, but I'm still weighing the upgrade options. Affordability is another issue, of course. Many options are out there.

I've got a computer. DAW is something I've considered, but can't seem to come to terms with, since there's so many high tech and low tech issues to deal with. I've seen some cool PCI digital IN/OUT adapters, like the M Audio Delta 10. (It looked cool, but I didn't demo it).

It's hard to find a viable upgrade, when I've got an 8 track reel & mixer that 'kicks ass'. A 788, or any other 8-tracker really isn't an upgrade, for me. 16 or more tracks would be an upgrade, but I'm thinking it out, and taking my time.

The next 5 years could bring another revolution in Digital design-- Digital designs that were back-to-basics, straight-forward designs, that are easy to use for the average 'reel' person. Things are moving that way. It's great to bring the feature-value UP, but I'd like to see more refinement, in the way of friendliness and useability.

Analog presented a straightforwardness, in design. Digital just packs these amazing features, but are not simple in design or straightforward, at all. That's just in my opinion.

I've got to find the unit that offers the most tracks and features, while balancing that with cost concerns and ease-of-use concerns.
 
A Reel Person

Thanks for your reply(cool screen name by the way,there aren't to many reel or real people out there anymore).
My minidisc is a sony mds je 630,I bought about 6 months ago for around 300 at guitar center.The keyboard input is really great,I think any ditigal unit should have it,it solves most of the dilema of scrolling menus and onscreen naming.
I'm still on the quest for the perfect recorder,it's down to the tascam 424mk2 porta studio or the 788.
The 788 looks good,great price,great features,and I may have to overlook the screen size for these reasons alone.Tascam seems to be the only brand that is honest in revealing there units features.I've tried it with EVERY other brand with sad results,(except mackie),!You can't find out actual hard drive size,recording time,ect.You have to be VERY careful:eg.-I looked into the Roland systems,couldn't find out hard disc size,only partition size.I had to go to the dealer and make them tell me the size,they told me it was 2.5gigs which is nothing in ditigal recording.Akai was worse,I got the salesman to get me the manual out of the box for the new 24/96 16 track recorder they have.Turns out it has a good hard drive,10gig,but you can't record all 16 tracks at the same time,and I think it said only 8 or 10 track playback at 24/96.They don't tell you on their websites or at the dealers ,and most dealers have a no return policy on recorders(what a suprise).And what you really have to worry about is the deadly B word,BUGS!

I really want a ditigal sound,the minidisc convinced me of that,but it seems that the tecnology is just not up to reliable affordable multitrack recording yet.
You really have to research in depth any ditigal component you buy,there seems to be ,(excuse the expression),a ton of bullshit flying around,and it's guys like you and me who wind up wasting our hard earned money.
I don't mean to go on but I've been at this for a year or better ,and I've come full circle,Tascam or nothing.I was truly sorry to see they discontinued the da38.
I might just stick with 4 track cassette and get better outboard gear till they all get their heads together!
Well good luck on finding a recorder,and let me know any info you find out!
Pete
 
Thanx, & I agree with you, again.

I read somewhere that the Yamaha 4416 had a 64GB drive, but I'd like to verify that some more. Maybe it's a type error, referring to a 6.4GB drive.

The 788 is a great unit for someone who is getting his first 8 track. For the price, with the added CDRW, it's a unit that gives a lot of bang for the buck. I personally don't like the small LCDs and the menus, and I don't like the gadgety nature of how the 788 is operated, (according to what I read in the manual & tutorial), but I'm convinced that it's probably a great 8 track for someone who's looking to migrate from a 4 track tape Portastudio. The 788 is a great upgrade from a 424, or other 4 tracker.

A discrete 8 track recorder with a discrete analog mixer would blow away a 788. The 788 is great on compact porability (Portastudio), but the mixer inputs & outputs are a little limited.

I like the 788, but I really need more than 8 tracks, to upgrade. That's my dilemma, but either I find a suitable digital recorder, DAW setup, or find a used analog reel deck.

In all the newest generation of digitals, I'm still very wary of ...you said it... bugs. I'm trying to be very cautious with my upgrade choices now, for the simple reason that my present studio takes care of my needs, for the most part, and if I do spend to get more gear, I really want it to be the right gear, that gives me the most value.

I'm pretty much a Tascam-only, brand loyal buyer, but I'm also trying to widen my horizons, and am looking at all the newest gear, from every vendor, and trying to decide what I'll buy ,if anything.

BTW, the Yamaha 4416 is priced just below what you'd pay for a MX2424 base unit, (more with the optional I/O card). The MX2424 is probably a better value, if you can afford it. The MX2424 looks like a nice unit, despite all the digital gimmickry and gadgetry.

Fostex has a 24/96 HDD recorder, but someone pointed out to me that the Fostex has only 8 inputs, and it didn't explicitly say it could record 24 at a time. The specs and details of the Fostex 24/96 were a little sketchy on some details, such as HD size, play time, and max simultaneous record tracks.

I'm not anti technology, but I'm someone who's comfortable with analog concepts of doing things, and look for products that offer power & ease of use & reliability. I'm not sure I see that in digital units, yet. Digital designs in recorders have taken what used to be very simple, and have made it very complex. Low tech issues have me frustrated with DAW... starting with the fact that my PC makes a lot of ambient noise, and also the usability issues of a computer, (with hand/wrist strain & eye strain), and other issues of *reliability*. I don't want to deal with BLUE SCREENS while I'm trying to record music. What a killer to inspiration!

I'll keep looking for some way to upgrade, for the time being. I'm leaning to digital HD, since I'm accustomed to buying new gear. I'm sure there may be a few good analogs on the used market, but so I may consider used gear, but I prefer new gear.

I like to practice as much as possible, preferably every day. I play guitar, bass, piano & drums. I have a 1 room studio crammed full of stuff, including a 244, 424mk2, 38 & M30. I dabble in musical adventure & song writing & noodling around musically, and do a heck of a lot of cover tunes.

The reason that the Sony MiniDisc units are great, is that Sony is great at making digital as accessible as analog.

The digital units that are designed to be as similar to analog as they can be, are the best digital products, IMHO.

The 424mk2 or mk3 are still the best 4 track cassette on the market, and are quite capable of making great recordings. I'm currently very happy with my studio gear & instruments, and have developed my recording & mixing techniques since 1982, and currently have methods of recording that give me bright, full, live sounding tracks.

I like to mix & EQ the inputs, to where the tracks need no EQ on playback. I'm always looking for a realistic, 'live' sound. Anyway, that's a whole other subject.

I use my 4 tracks as much as I use the 8 tracks. As a solo artist, currently, I want to indulge my whims with more tracks, 16 or more, to flesh out my productions more.

I admit it's totally self indulgent. I have a 'real' job, and do all this music & stuff in my spare time, just because I love it.

I like certain aspects of the web, since it can be a vehicle for unknown artists to expose and distribute their tunes.

Music is an important part of life.

Keep recording, and keep hoping the choices in recording gear gets better & better, whatever that may mean.

A Reel Person/Long Time User



[Edited by A Reel Person on 11-15-2000 at 23:20]
 
A REEL PERSON,
Thanks again for replying,seems like we have a lot in common,I work for a living, but live for music too.
Sounds like you have a really nice studio setup,I'd like to hear your sounds, do you have them posted anywhere?If not mabey you could just e-mail me a wave file(I think thats possible).
If you have the time I would appreciate any pointers you can offer on recording.My setup consists of a small mackie mixer,compressor,reverb,exciter,bbe,2track minidisc,cd recorder,rode NT1mic,and a tascam porta5.I record elec.guitar,acoustic guitar ,bass,keyboard,midi drum pad, and vocals.I run through the mackie pre amp direct out to the compressor and or exciter-bbe ,then to the tascam where I mix in the reverb.I hit the meters as hard as I can,(The beauty of analog,no clipping).I get a good sound on all the instruments,not so great on the acoustic guitar and vocals.Any tips would be appreciated.I would love to have bright ,full, live sounding tracks!
You said you were looking at the yammah 4416,it looks like a really great unit.It even has a full featured sequencer built in.I think I understood from the website the 64 gig hard drive was optional.I found the link for it if you want it-http://www.yamaha.co.uk/proaudio/na...://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/regular_htm/home.htm
I hope this helps and good luck on finding the ultimate recorder!(ps.I think both Studer&Otari still make multitrack reel to reels, but you'd most likely have to morgage your house for them!)
Talk to you soon,
Pete
e-mail-LKATHY@EARTHLINK.NET
 
I'm not sure what a Porta5 is, but I assume it's a 4 track. Isn't it a small Portastudio, several years old, with a minimal 2 channel mixer, that records 2 tracks at a time, and plays back 4 tracks? (Like the precursor to the present Porta02?)

I like the Mackie mixers I saw recently. They seem pretty functional & well built. I've considered buying one, recently, but I'm holding off on new multitrack gear, for the time being.

I may get a CDRW standalone unit, some day. That would streamline my mastering process, a little. I'd mixdown directly to CDR and a MD, simultaneously, with the CDR being the first unit in the recording chain. I'd keep the CDR as the 'real' master, and have the MD as the 'road' master. Right now, my real master and my road master are the same, MD, but I have all my CD 'master' (.wav) files on my computer, and also burn CDR's on the computer.

Currently, I master to Minidisc and .wav file, but it's a more cumbersome process. My Minidisc is convenient, but for .wav files, I have to carry the Portastudio to the front room, where my PC that makes the best recordings is.

For 8 track masters, the Minidisc is the main master, with the .wav file being a copy of the MD. That's only because I can't lug my 8 track setup in & out of the room.

I do love the Minidisc, as well as my Tascams. Technology has brought a lot to home recording.

My short term goal concerning my studio,is to buy more 1/2" reels, and try to utilize my present setup as much as possible. I'll keep working on how to get the most from 8 track production.

My system rocks, and my most valuable recording dollar spent is probably on more reels, not more gear.

More tracks would be nice. The indulgent part of me reallys want to upgrade to 16 tracks or more, but 8 tracks keeps the production 'lean'. 4 tracks are great, too, but sometimes a little limiting, (a little too lean).

Face it. In multitrack recording, more tracks is better, especially for solo artists.

Think of all the DAW people with 24 or more tracks. That's a big allure of DAW (tracks), as well as editing power, but otherwise, I think DAW's are a pain. I really do get hand strain, wrist strain & eye strain from working on the computer too much, but that's just me. Also, I think the computer throws off too much ambient noise & other (crt) interference into the room, and in a 1 room studio, it's prohibitively high.

As far as pointers go, I'd say this. As I was alluding to, above, I think the CDR should be the first link in the mixdown-deck chain, followed by the MD. Then you could fire them off simultaneously, and get more bang for your buck, as far as making sure the 'uncompressed' device is the first device, before the 'compressed' device.

Technically speaking, the uncompressed version of your song (CDR) would be the best one to make the copy-master, but remember, I don't think the compression makes an audible difference, and I have very acute hearing. I certainly can't hear the difference between the MD and something mastered to (.wav) CDR. If anything, the MD sounds BETTER.

I've heard for recording voice and acoustic guitar, some compression on the mic helps even out the sound, & beef it up a little. That may be something you have tried.

I can't comment as well on effects, since I don't really use them in the recording chain, currently. I have a little Yamaha R100 digital delay, and have used it plenty of times in the past, but almost never use it anymore. I don't use compression, or any other effect, but I try to make subtle adjustments in positioning (voice/guitar) to achieve the best overall sound. It's subtle & hard to explain,... mic technique, but I think you know what I mean.

I think acoustic drums are always better than drum machines, if you can swing it, in your particular situation.

Also, I prefer acoustic piano over electronic keyboards, but same as above, it depends on your situation. If all you have is a little keyboard, that's fine. The instrument is just a tool, a vehicle. My electronic keyboard is really old & cheesy, but it's good for a little pinch hitting on
some tracks. Newer keyboards are fine, but don't impress me that much. A lot of electronic newer keyboards get really gimmicky & complicated,... oops, there I go again.

Your basic studio framework sounds very similar to mine.

Whatever it is that I record, I mix & eq the inputs, until I seem to have gotten the most out of the sound, before I print a track. Then I listen back, to double check the actual recording, and make adjustments, as necessary.

For instance, just the other night, I used 3 inputs, mixed together, to record this killer sounding electric guitar track. The 3 inputs were: close/ambient mic (12-24"), line in from distortion box, and line in from clean output on guitar. --Well, my newest guitar, a Danelectro Innuendo, has 2 output. One for clean, and the other for a built in 4 effect switch, (on the guitar). (It's really cool, and looks super).-- Anyway, I mixed together this super-overdrive sound, with this boring, dry, in your face line in, and topped it off with a high amount of room/ambient mic, to get this really 'live' sounding track. The playing may be mediocre, but the sound is killer.

I believe practice is important, as well as open experimentation (noodling around). Enjoying the music of others, learning good songs, and using them as a springboard for your creativity, is important.

Most of my recording philosophy revoles around mixing all the right inputs, experimentation, and the eternal quest for the next better sounding track. A lot of it is listening as objectively as possible, in a totally subjective medium, (music & home recording).

And, in order to sound as live as possible, BE as live as possible. There's no way to fix something 'in the mix', if it's lackluster to begin with. If you're gonna play, play like you really mean it. If you're gonna sing, sing like you really mean it. Don't hold back. Don't worry if the neighbors hear you. Let them complain if they want. I mean, be reasonable, but don't let anybody rain on your parade. Express yourself. Of course you look silly. So do I!

Last extranneous tip: Be yourself, ok, but if you have to sing in falsetto, either nail it straight, change the part to a more comfortable range, or have your girlfriend sing that part.

I listen A LOT to my own recordings, especially when I'm mixing, working on, or brainstorming a project. Then, I 'come up for air', and try to listen to as much 'real' music as possible, mainly 'Classic Rock', also including other styles too.

The best music is ethereal, and is better being experience than explained.

Try to practice enough, so that you can hear and play the right notes, without your head of having to think so much about it.

I'm constantly progressing in my musical & recording skills, like everyone else. I've made some trashy sounding recordings in the past, but over the years have learned a few techniques that I mix & match, and currently, I'm pretty pleased with the high fidelity I seem to get on my recordings. Not bad for some guy in his room.

I'm not commercial, it's a personal thing.

I have no mp3 posts, no web page, and I'm not that web savvy. I have a few narrow interests on the web, and use the computer as a utiltiarian appliance. I don't think emailing a 30 or 40 meg file would work so well. That's way too big for the 56k modem. You'd need a broadband internet connection for that.

I don't think I can post any mp3's, since my most current, best sounding recordings are cover tunes. Copyright law may prohibit me doing this.

I'd be glad to send you a CDR or Minidisc. I could describe my music or sound all day, but listening is always better. Check my other posts, and I'm always trying to say what a 'live' and 'full' sound I am able to get.

I was Long Time User, on the Tascam BBS, but I seem to have been exxed from that board. A few days ago it said my user name no longer exists. I might have pissed someone off, by either ragging too much on Tascam, (I'm mostly pro Tascam, but was very unhappy with the US428), or for writing too many long, boring posts, which were technical in nature, but filled with lots of opinions (and using lots of disc space). I'm very opinionated when it comes to knowing what works for me. I'll try not to go on & on, but just to say only what I think is relevant, to music or to getting better recordings. I don't want to come off sounding like a know it all, I'm surely not.

Anyway, unless or until I get the Tascam BBS thing worked out, I'm not going to be posting on Tascam's BBS. That's ok, it had run it's course, and I can give people Portastudio advice or 8 track reel advice, but have nothing to say about the newest Tascam products.

I was on the Tascam BBS to get in touch with some of the technical issues and responses to the newest gear, but won't have much else to say until I get something new, and use it for myself.

I'm not likely to get a 788, or anything else soon, but I think the 788 has its merits, and I can understand why people would like it. The US428, I can't say as much, but all the feedback I got was that either my system couldn't handle it, or I was probably doing something wrong. I definitely got a 'crash' course on the pitfalls of DAW. I was all gung-ho for DAW, before I tried it, but soured on the idea after that. I'll probably think some more about DAW, but I'm stifled by concerns about a few low-tech limitations and problems of DAW, not Tascam specifically.

One interesting BBS is enough (Homerecording.com), and there are only 24 hours in a day. If I go on too long, here, they'll probably boot me off this BBS too.

Anyway, I find music & home recording subjects of endless fascination, but these responses take me a long time to compose, and I'm gonna get down off my soap box & go practice.

I'm not doing music for money or to be famous, I just do it for fun, and the pure love of music.
 
Ohmygod, theres more?

PS, I make all my mix decisions based on the monitors, not headphones.

My monitor system is my stereo reciever, with 8 speakers, (2 speakers on each tap, 1a & b, 2a & b), (oh, how indulgent!).

My stereo system is adjusted to play back as 'flat' as possible, based on a pink noise generator & feedback system on my 10 band stereo EQ with spectrum analyzer, (an old BSR). The 'flatness' of my stereo playback system ensures I get as true a sound as possible, which will hold up consistently well in different playback systems. This is a key point that should not be glossed over.
 
PS2, Analog and digital decks can both be driven into 'clipping', but analog has a much 'kinder & gentler' kind of clipping. Analog clipping could sound 'warm', but digital clipping is definitely 'harsh'.

How's that for an opinion?
 
OOPS, I wasn't exxed from the Tascam BBS, I just typed my user name wrong. Ha. I must be too high.

Anyway, I'll try to keep my posts relevant, and as short as possible.

Sound quality is a big issue in recording, but it's not the only issue.

Recently, I found a web page that was dedicated to 4 track recording. When the web page came up, there was a 'technically correct' rendition of a well known poplular song, done entirely with drum machine & midi synths. OHMYGOD, it was the most lifeless, soulless, plastic sounding, putrid peice of muzak I had ever heard,... and it was probably note-for-note 'correct'. GEEZ, I've heard player piano rolls with more 'personality' than that. In some other post, on the TASCAM BBS, someone said (paraphrasing) 'that the biggest problem in recording was a void of material worthy of recording'... and that pathetic, putrid rendition of a song was a perfect example of this statement.

Push-button-techno-muzak is watering down music, overall.
In a way, technology is bringing music alive, and killing it, at the same time.

MIDI may play the notes the same way every time, but it has no soul, and I can hear the difference between push-button driven muzak, and real people playing real instruments.

Man still has the overall superiority over machine.
 
>MIDI may play the notes the same way every time, but it has >no soul, and I can hear the difference...

I'd say that MIDI only has as much soul as you're willing to put into it.
 
A REEL PERSON,
I checked your post at Tascam bbs,I thought Long Time User was familiar,I'm always surfin around over there.
I found what you said about midi to be true unless you have touch sensitive ,poly pressure,pitch bend,and all the other controllers for expression.The reason I say this is I just traded in a Boss DR5 composing machine.I had it for about 3 years and used it mostly for drums.Not having access to these features was very limiting in my recordings.I could have used a touch sensitive keyboard but like any other instrument,if you want a spontanious drum sound you have to hit some drums.I ordered a Roland SPD20 drum pad,I'ts a big square with 8 seperate pads that are touch sensitive and you can hit them with sticks.To program a seqencer for drums was an endless unfullfilling task (Thats just my humble opinion).I'm more of a spur of the moment player,thats how I write,just get in a groove and let it fly.I loved the drum and some of the synth sounds of the DR5, and am hoping the SPD-20 is as good.

You asked about my Porta05,it only records 1 track at a time and no seperate monitoring system or direct outs for tracks(Its really old).But its a champ.Never given me any real trouble and I even lost all the screws (they went into the black hole with my missing socks and guitar picks).Thats what I'm really looking for in a recorder,better tape mixer functions,but I would sure like to get 8 tracks and ditial in the process.

You also mentioned about computer recording and I have to agree with you there 100%.About 2 years ago I got a nice home computer,pentium 2,288mhz,96 ram,so I figured I'd get a nice home recording software.I bought cubase vst,which said my computer should be more than enough,bull!
I spent 2 solid years,printed the whole manual,downloaded every bugfix and learned the software inside out.I never even got the damm thing to record tracks without latency problems and I'm not about to spend any more money on a better sound card.Thats it for me as far as computer recording(in my price range),and why I'm very put off by hard disc recording,especially when you can't defragment the hard discs.I know some people have gotten good results but it hasn't been the case for me.And like you said working on the computer can be very uninspiring.To many menues and not enough room on the screen.

One more note,my Mackie mixer is really great,It's the 1202,perfect for a 4 track and really opened a lot of doors for me.Mackie jams their mixers with high quality functions at a reasonable price,I'm a loyal fan.

Their 24/96 recorder also looks great,you can hook a vga screen up to it and have the best of both worlds.

Well thats it for me,
May all your recording adventures be pleasurable,and your lights never go out in the middle of a take.
Talk to you soon,
Pete
 
A Reel Person-

We all know you can write. But can you record?

hixmix
 
Muzeman,

That Roland electronic 8 drum-pad thing you have is really cool. I've seen that at the music store. Playing a drum machine with sticks is overall a more natural way to play. Hitting a pad with sticks is a lot more fun than pure programming, and I'm sure you can hear a positive difference (between the programmed drum machine and the played drum machine).

Drstawl, MIDI's fine, if you're into it. I agree, the user/programmer makes a lot of difference, a qualitative difference, when talking about any instrument, including midi. Also, the keyboards, workstations and other MIDI devices do keep getting better & better. Technology is moving really fast. Equipment is designed then obsoleted at an alarming rate, these days.

Hixmix, I'll try to keep my posts short, so as not to bore you, any longer than necessary.

I'm just saying that it's sometimes hard to get a 'realistic' sound onto tape, as we all know, and I'm explaining the relatively simple techniques I use to get the most 'real' and accurate sounding tracks. Read it if you want, no one's forcing you. Use my techniques or not, I don't really care, or better yet, suggest a better technique that I may not know. The original subject was "Sound Quality".

I'm not saying my recordings are superior, or that my music is better. I've made lots of lousy sounding tapes, and I suppose there are other people who have too. My way isn't the only way to get sound onto tape, and to each their own.

Noone needs my advice, and I'm not fooling myself that they do. I've been recording for about 20 years before I found this web page. I assume most people participating on this BBS have a lot of experience, too. For the people who may be new to recording, they might want to find out all the tips & tricks of recording that they can, and BBS's like this are a great resource. Someone who's new to recording can leverage off the advice of people like you & me, and possibly save years of experimentation and trial & error.

My tracks sound 'realistic'. That is all. I'm not saying my tracks are revolutionary, or that you'd turn & say "wow, I've never heard anything that good before". 'Realistic' and 'live' are the words I've used to describe my tracks, and that's worthy of saying, after years of recording and finding out how hard it is to get a 'realistic', 'live' sound onto tape. I'm just a musician & home recordist, and may not be on the level with you 'professionals', or forces of nature.

I'm not getting into a pissing match with a bunch of tapeheads on a BBS.

I think MIDI is just great, but just not for me. If you like it, I don't mind. MIDI, as used by someone who's really talented, is probably just wonderful. People with lots of talent can take any instrument or system to a higher level, and I know that.

I haven't heard any MIDI-driven song that I was very thrilled about, but that's just my opinion, and doesn't mean great MIDI songs don't exist... I just haven't heard one.

There's a need for music to play in elevators and supermarkets.

What I want to know, is how do you get those snappy little subtitles under your user name. Do you have to sleep with the moderator?
 
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