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[Flatpicker]

I think this thread should be moved here:...

No, I think it needs to be here because it expresses a problem, not just Gidge, but a lot of us are having with this particular forum and no place else at HR. (You can still kiss Gidge and jump out of a cake if you want. )

 

[acorec]

Not really. The guy's very helpful and I can't recall any time he's ever came out and said: "You should do your mastering with me . . . or my skills are better than the next guys' etc. etc." The guy plays by the rules.



I'm the wrong person to ask, because I'd probably take the latter.

Why has all the spam talk suddenly resurfaced? Am I missing something? Usually if there's a spam feud going on, I'm in the middle of it. Guess I haven't been reading enough of the threads lately.

[/B]

I agree that there are no spamming threads that I have read.

My only opinion is:

If spammers are allowed on here, then more spammers will come. This BBS would be over-run by every spammer alive and the information exchange from real product users would disappear. Look at all the other BBSs. Having a moderator that does nothing dictates that the forum must moderate itself through the members. I have to say that this is the best way. You can have a moderator that decides for him/her self what is, or is not, appropriate or let the members flag the "bad" guys.

There is a forum that (will go un-named) that has a moderator who gets PM'ed by his "buddy-members" when they have a complaint about a poster. This moderator then proceeds to twist the thread to give favor to the "buddy" and flame the alleged "bad" poster. This is too much power for any forum.

I would rather have the duties of moderation to be spread to the members. I would rather ignore the bitch-fests to get to real info on techniques and products than let some salespeople tell me "what is best and why MY product is better"

Obviously, some other forums prefer the moderator to delete posts, edit posts, decide what is the "right" information.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[chessrock]

No, I think it needs to be here because it expresses a problem, not just Gidge, but a lot of us are having with this particular forum and no place else at HR. (You can still kiss Gidge and jump out of a cake if you want. )

Alright, I have problems with the mic forum, too. Too much bitching.

Should I now go start my own thread and complain about that? I've only but recently learned how relevent complaining seems to be to the topic of mics. Come join Chess' first annual bitchfest '04 ! ! ! Got a bitch? Well, then pitch it here by gosh! All bitches welcome -- whatever the shape or size.

For those who are worried, never fear . . . for whining is also on the menu. In fact, for those who wish to partake in the whining festivities, we have complimentary cheese for everyone.

The evening's entertainment will, of course, be provided by none other than Gidge . Flatpicker will be performing his Belly Dancing act under his assumed surname, Shira. And if everyone complains loud and strong enough, Chessrock might even jump out of the cake wearing nothing but a G-string

 

[acorec]

Right now, I'm pretty much feeling like a camel - with a really sore back.

I'm gonna take a break from all the nastiness for a while.
It's a shame how just a few people can really mess up an otherwise great place.

If I can't be part of the solution, at least I can try to not be part of the problem.

Nope. I will tell you a story.

The Band "Deep Purple" had a guitarist who forced the singer Ian Gillan out of the band 3 times in their history. The guitarist Ritchie Blackmore always scared the others to vote his way.

He tried a 4th time. Ian said no.

Ian and the rest of the band finally banded together and threw Ritchie Blackmore out.

Ian Gillan had enough and the tyrant was thrown out.



You stay and post. The detractors will either be right or wrong and the whole thing will get old. The peolpe who listen and learn will read all you have to say.

Some others will not.

Contribute and ignore what you don't like.

This very issue is happening right now with the FCC and radio/TV. We an either have free speech, or be censored according to one person's opinion. You don't have to prove a thing as you have already done that with most of your life.

 

[Gidge]

once again, you are taking a subject that someone was serious about and making a joke out of it.....

btw, this isnt a pity party.....and if it was, it wouldnt be for me....the pity would be for all the newbies you've run off that will never know how cool of a site this is......

 

[chessrock]

the pity would be for all the newbies you've run off that will never know how cool of a site this is......

The only guys I've "run off" are the hypersensitive variety who can't take a little hazing . . . or just the assholes.

The ones who expect instant answers . . . who don't listen when you give them good advice . . . and who show no respect when you try and point out that their assumptions might be faulted.

I'm sorry if you miss these guys. Maybe you can invite them over to that other little site all you guys hang out at.

For the record, I've helped out a hell of a lot of courteous, well-meaning people and have invited/encouraged a few industry pros to post here that a lot of you might not even be aware of because I don't ask people to pat me on the freakin' back.

 

[Fab4ever]

One man's opinion: Chessrock's a little crabby, occassionally downright snippy, but he doesn't bother me. As one of the site's longest-tenured newbies, I find his posts mostly informative. I do think you could tone it down a notch from time to time, Chess. You should realize that the whole "warmth" thing IS confusing to a lot of people - and many many marketers take advantage of that confusion for their own benefit, and thus deepen it.

I also love to read Gidge's posts, because he has an ear and a budget for equipment more like mine than Chessrock's. I think you have some good points, Gidge: In general, this forum has become too much snipping at each other and not enough real information.

I think there is a HUGE area between the extremes of "Don't even try if you don't have a Neve and a U47" and "How can I make my Radio Shack mic and Toob MP sound just like Abbey Road studioes." You CAN get decent, passable results from cheap equipment, it seems to me. No, you'll never REPLICATE $1-million studios with a Behringer pre and an SP B1.

Both facts are true. But that leaves quite a bit to talk about in between, doesn't it?

Fab

 

[chessrock]

You should realize that the whole "warmth" thing IS confusing to a lot of people - and many many marketers take advantage of that confusion for their own benefit, and thus deepen it.

Fab, I've noticed this. Believe me.

And if you can get past my snipiness , you might notice that a lot of what I say/do is intended to try and dispel some of the misinformation / myths out there. Maybe you don't like the way I go about it, but at least it gets peoples' attention and it sticks, hopefully.

 

[Fab4ever]

No, you're right - you definitely tend to set people straight! (This coming from a guy who just HAD to buy a Tube MP, then a twin-channel ART unit before finally ditching both and grabbing an RNP.... Guess I should have been listening harder!!)

Fab

 

[crazydoc]

DJL seems to be the only one here who is currently getting everybody's panties in a wad. He's obviously got some socialization issues that are not going to go away. If you don't like his posts, just ignore them - that's what you do with a two-year-old's demands and tantrums.

As far as the newbie issue - if they post a question about something that's been covered to the nth, try to just kindly refer them to the search function, or to the FAQ, or to the thread three threads down where the same question was just posed. It would be nice if they could lurk until they figure out what's going on, but sometimes microphone issues are just to urgent to wait on.

I would hate to see any moderation or censorship here. I find it much more illuminating (and entertaining) to read freely expressed ideas, as asinine as some may appear, and to have an honest exchange of opinion, as acrimonious as that sometimes gets.

The downside is that someone like Harvey, who has practical knowledge and a willingness to share it, finally feels he's put up with enough of the ignorant bullshit and decides to leave, and is told "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out."

 

[Fab4ever]

...and THAT is indeed the problem. We don't need censorship, just a HINT of civility from everyone and we'll all be fine - and we'll continue to benefit from Harvey and others (yes, including mic company owners) who have something to share.

Fab

 

[Gidge]

i want moderation, not censorship.....if a thread turns into a total pissing match, take it to the Cave......

 

[chessrock]

The downside is that someone like Harvey, who has practical knowledge and a willingness to share it, finally feels he's put up with enough of the ignorant bullshit and decides to leave, and is told "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out."

I agree wholeheartedly, and there's no on on this board happier to see the Harvmaster posting here again.

But it just seems like we keep running in to reruns.

I understand where he's coming from -- he's basically trying to put pressure on people to make it a nicer environment. So he takes breaks from the forum in silent protests. In a way, I can see where it's sort of a classy way to voice your displeasure.

On the other hand, I can't help but think a guy like him could just laugh off and ignore whatever he finds unpleasant -- like everyone else. Sort of like an "I'm Harvey -- who the hell are you?" kind of thing. Jeez, can you imagine if I had left every time someone disrespected me ? ?

To each his own, I guess. Like I was saying earlier to Flatpicker, if this place ever approaches the point where you're even losing 5 minutes of sleep over something you read, or 10 minutes time with your family, then it's probably time to take a break. I only keep posting here because I have no life.

 

[crazydoc]

...On the other hand, I can't help but think a guy like him could just laugh off and ignore whatever he finds unpleasant -- like everyone else...

It's like Chinese water torture - that little insignificant drop of water keeps coming down and hits you on the forehead - it drives you nuts after awhile. If you're not tied down you just get up and go somewhere else before that happens. Harvey has lots of other places, real and virtual, where he can have more fun and feel more useful, than a jerkwater place like this.

Of course, we're the losers.

 

[crazydoc]

I agree wholeheartedly, and there's no on on this board happier to see the Harvmaster posting here again.

And I'm bitin' my lip real hard...

 

[chessrock]

You must be one of those "Chessrock drove Harvey off the board" guys.

I heard Sadham had WMD's too, and the Janet / Justin thing was really a wardrobe malfunction.

Idiot.

 

[Gidge]

"If you really are leaving, then get the hell out of here and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out."




"Hey Harvey . . .
If you want to know why I don't respect you . . .

It's because of this crap.

You always pull that "I'm leaving the board" stuff out. Then you keep pushing it to the point that you have people groveling and begging you to stay.

I'm sick of it. Leave if you don't like it here. But don't make a big show of it and reduce people to sick, grovellers getting on their hands and knees pleading with you. You show no respect to the people who love you and support you.

That's just a pile of crap, and you know it. And if you want to know why I show you such little respect, it's because of that."

 

[Gidge]

"Good riddance.

What a pompous ass."

(referring to Harvey)

 

[Flatpicker]

...Of course, we're the losers.

Exactly my point!

Let me say, in case I haven't made it clear: I like this forum. If I didn’t, leaving wouldn’t be a big deal – I’d just buzz off and that would be that.

Let me count the ways…

First, I like the folks here. I feel a kinship with you guys because we share the same passion. And even when I think I have it all figured out, Chessrock, Crazydoc, or someone else will come up with a totally opposite opinion or better idea which causes me to really think about other possibilities. It’s a bitter pill sometimes, but I need that – we all do. Makes us better in the long run. Alan just basically stated that he has learned how to be supportive and not to spam. I’m sure you guys had something to do with that. I’m sure it was a bitter pill for Alan at the time, but like me, he’s better because of it.

Second, there is no censorship here pertaining to microphone and related information. And yes, part of the point of my earlier post was for the moderator to moderate, not censor. I didn’t mean to come off like I was slamming RE, just questioning his methods. BTW, being a mod is a tremendous responsibility and I certainly have no desire to do it, but my hat’s off to those who do. RE has contributed a great deal of good info here. Anyway, most other forums have threads disappearing, etc… and this one doesn’t.

Third, there are some great minds here – folks who have been there, done that. I’ve learned tons of stuff from Chess, Doc, Harv, Marik, Alan, SoMm, Acorec, and many, many others.

There are other folks here like Sonixx who have great info, but think “What’s the use?” That’s really sad because we could be learning a lot from them, but we’re not. I just wish we had the type of environment where all those we could learn from would feel welcome to teach us, not harassed. I see real potential for this forum. It could easily become the most informative forum of it’s kind, like Tech Talk is to the studio techs. I just get bummed when I see it heading the other way.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

On the other hand, I can't help but think a guy like him could just laugh off and ignore whatever he finds unpleasant -- like everyone else. Sort of like an "I'm Harvey -- who the hell are you?" kind of thing.

But I don't wanna do that. I'm pretty sharp about a lot of this shit, but only because I've been in the business longer than most of you have been alive. Over the years, some of the knowledge actually rubbed off on me, no matter how much I tried to stay stupid.

I picked up some more tricks from real giants who (thru pure dumb luck) I've been blessed to meet along the way. But the "I'm Harvey -- who the hell are you?" thing ain't me, and I got really pissed the last time, when a lot of people accused me of wanting fans, a cult, followers, whatever. That's a big leap from what I want.

Sure, I'd like a little respect, simply based on what I've contributed here so far. But it's the dissing that pisses me off, not just of me or Alan, or Stephen - just the general lack of respect for anybody's opinion.

When DJL said that I just hung out with stars and didn't contribute in some way, that went way beyond a lack of respect - that was flat out disrespect, purposely twisting facts and designed to simply malign me. Yes, I defended myself, but why the hell should I have to do that?

You can go to almost anybody in the "pro" community and ask them if they know me. Whether it's Bob Ohlsson, Al Schmitt, George Massenburg, Ed Cherney, Joe Chicarelli, Fletcher, Mixerman, or Rail Rogut, they know me, know some of the things I've done, and respect my opinions (but we all don't always agree).

You can go to Fletcher, Wes Dooley, Dan Kennedy. Mark McQuilken, EveAnna Manley, John LaGrou, Aspen Pitman, Hartley Peavey, Dirk Brauner, and a few dozen other manufacturers, and they know me, and have some respect for me.

Why the hell is this the only damn place in the entire fucking Internet, where I have to prove what I say (and justify my existance) over and over again, every couple of months, especially when I've helped so many people here over the years? After a while, it starts to get really old, really fast.

So, yeah, I'm gonna sit here on the sidelines and let somebody else run with the ball for a while, while I watch quietly. I don't want fans, a cult, followers, or anyone chanting, "please don't leave, oh great guru".

I ain't a fuckin' guru - just an old guy with maybe a few more tricks in his bag than some of you (but only because I've been lugging the damn bag around for longer than most of you).