Sonar 6 is here, almost!

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Middleman said:
The downside, I have to buy a new computer to take advantage of the 64 bit engine. As well ,switch all of my PCI cards to PCIe and hope manufacturers have 64 bit drivers.
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I'm starting planning now on a 64bit system with at least 2 gigs of RAM.
 
Middleman said:
It's on their site, native support, no more wrapper.
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My recollection is that they advertised the previous version of Sonar as having native VST support as well. I think that simply means that the wrapper was integral to Sonar, and not a separate program.

I recall a disussion on the Sonar forum from one of the Cake reps claiming that this is the way all programs worked. They were either native DXi or VST and used a wrapper to convert to the other.

Or I could be all wet. :D
 
So how soon before we get the sounds better/different posts? :confused:

I was tempted but not enough.I'm happy with 3,although I will be checking out how well S6 plays with UAD-1's.
 
Well, I wasn't all wet. I did some searching on the Sonar forum and found several references to Ver. 5 being advertised as having native VST support. For ex.:

I've deleted my original post in support of Sonar 5's "native" VST implementation. IMO, it is not native, and I'm beginning to resent having it being portrayed as such.
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I could not find the post where this issue was discussed by a Cakewalk rep.

So the question remains, is the claim of native VST support in Sonar 6, simply the same as it was in 5.0, or did they really make it native in Ver 6.0? They took an awful lot of flack about the claim of it being native in Ver 5.0, so it would be surprising that they stuck with it in 6.0 without any changes.

OTOH, my recollection was that Cakewalk claimed it could not be made truly native. Their feeling was "imbedding" the wrapper in the main program was as native as it was going to get.
 
From their site "Work seamlessly with VST plug-ins—VST support is now integrated into SONAR 6 and no longer requires an external VST to DX adapter"

I assumed, because I have been a beta VST user, that this is baked in the software. However, I see your point. The words "VST support" sound a little vague. You just may be right.
 
Middleman said:
From their site "Work seamlessly with VST plug-ins—VST support is now integrated into SONAR 6 and no longer requires an external VST to DX adapter"
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So I assume from this they are no longer claiming it as "native."

They took a lot of flack from that claim in ver. 5, so it would appear that nothing has changed other than their marketing-speak got a little clearer.

FWIW, I am still on ver. 3 and, of course, still use the external wrapper. I have had no problems with it myself. Imbedding it in Sonar probably makes it a little easier to use, since you don't have to register the VST plugins prior to using them. However the registration process is pretty simple, and is only required before the first use. So it's pretty easy... except when you forget to do it and can't figure out why you can't find the new VST you just installed. :rolleyes:

OTOH I don't make extensive use of VST's, so maybe that's why I haven't had problems.
 
There are other issues with Cakewalk's VST wrapper. I have had other users confirm the issue I confronted when purchasing Korgs Legacy Collection - Digital Edition.

The issue is that you cannot access anything other than the first bank of presets from the MIDI track properties panel. Apparently the VST wrapper does not see additional banks from a VST instrument. This happens with both the Wavestation and M1 softsynths. Because of this, I am forced to make patch selections in the plug-in window and they are not remembered upon saving and closing a project. This also does not allow for patch change MIDI messages.

Since these are very improtant VSTi's to me and this issue is quite a pain, I am seriously considering Cubase after several years of using Cakewalk products.
 
brzilian said:
Since these are very improtant VSTi's to me and this issue is quite a pain, I am seriously considering Cubase after several years of using Cakewalk products.
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You know,sometimes I feel the same way about my UAD-1's.I've got more money invested in them than Cakewalk,but if most software offers basically the same features,why stick with the one that doesn't play nice with the third party stuff?

My biggest complaint with recording software has always been that it doesn't work well with plugs and vsti's and such unless all the planets are aligned,or if you do this and don't do that,yadda,yadda,yadda.

I don't need new features,I just want the old features to work. :mad:
 
Chris. said:
I upgraded on the 30th of august to v5 because I was planning on upgrading eventually, and if you upgraded during august you get a free upgrade to v6. Pretty sweet deal. I was on 3.1.1.
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I did the exact same, too. I called them today to check up on the order and they said they had so many orders for 5 right at the end that they had ran out and had to print more v5 disks. Don't know if version will actually show up before I get version 6.

H2H
 
studiomaster said:
What is this ACT thing? Someone explain to me please....
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I think this will explain it.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=849363&mpage=1



I upgraded from S4SE to S5PE in July fully aware that it likely was a stupid thing to do - but I really needed some of the stuff and it was a good deal as such. But then the kind people at Cakewalk offered us "Julyers" the nice deal to upgrade to S6PE for just the difference between that deal and the august "get S6PE for free"-deal. A bit unexpected but I jumped in and threw project 5 in as well just to get rid of shipping costs. Have wanted P5 since forever...

Many new toys on their way...
 
Hard2Hear said:
I did the exact same, too. I called them today to check up on the order and they said they had so many orders for 5 right at the end that they had ran out and had to print more v5 disks. Don't know if version will actually show up before I get version 6.

H2H
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I have 3.1.1 and I did the same as that as well... I did get my v5, though. I'm wanting v6 and that ACT stuff primarily. All I'm waiting on is a new comp to put everything on :D I have some toys on the way myself!

By the way - Hi everyone... I haven't posted anything here in quite sometime... It's good to see everyone still here. :D
 
PCI Card is best vs. USB 2.0 or Firewire

jpmorris said:
You have no idea how badly I want to stop using Windows. It keeps losing the USB audio interfaces, keeps wanting to be reactivated every time I change the hardware, and doesn't seem able to record in 24/96 without glitching.

What I've been doing lately is scoring in Sonar, laying down the softsynth tracks in Sonar, and then exporting it to MIDI and laying everything else down with Rosegarden in Linux. The timecode locking in Sonar appears to drift when dealing with epic songs (11-26 minutes) even though it's supposed to be doing a full chase. This might be fixed in V2 of course, but it doesn't solve the intrinsic problems with Windows.
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Regarding your soundcard/hardware, you can more than likely rid yourself of glitches by using a PCI soundcard.

PCI is faster and more reliable than Firewire or USB 2.0.
 
Faster? Perhaps.

More reliable? Not necessarily, it depends on the drivers and the computer IMHO...
 
Toddskins said:
Regarding your soundcard/hardware, you can more than likely rid yourself of glitches by using a PCI soundcard.
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The idea of using USB is to get the ADC out of the computer and avoid RF noise thereby. I suppose it might be possible to build some kind of shielding, but USB seemed a lot less hassle. I'm also migrating the audio machine to a laptop now, so a PCI card is kind of impossible.

(That reminds me, I must see if the SONAR license allows installation on two machines a'la the Borland license)
 
Finally... the AudioSnap plus the other features in ver6P (currently ver4P, no problem with VST wrapper here) to make me upgrade, Plus I'm upgrading my computer so it only makes sense;)
 
jpmorris said:
The idea of using USB is to get the ADC out of the computer and avoid RF noise thereby. I suppose it might be possible to build some kind of shielding, but USB seemed a lot less hassle. I'm also migrating the audio machine to a laptop now, so a PCI card is kind of impossible.

(That reminds me, I must see if the SONAR license allows installation on two machines a'la the Borland license)
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What kind of pci card did you use that had a problem with RF noise? You may want to consider a PCI card with a breakout box. Should yield better results. Also, if I had no other option than to choose and external audio interface I would definitely choose firewire over usb.
 
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