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moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Okay, I have to admit: That looks like a Console... 
Teacher
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yup..thats why i love it....
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SteveD
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Hey Moskus,SteveD said:
Did you ever find out from the music store how they have Sonar 3 configured to allow the above?
I've reverted to using S2, but still try experimenting in S3. Last night I discovered the need for higher buffer settings, and the trim controls on all analog tracks DO NOTHING... HAVE NO EFFECT in S3.
My list is getting longer!
I have emailed support@cakewalk.com. No response in two days. I will try calling them today. That ought to be time consuming
.I did pre-order with Cakewalk very early, like the first day of the shipping announcement.
Have I got a beta version or a lemmon here or WHAT?
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SteveD
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dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Ok, it does look cool. But here's my problem...
In trying to duplicate the look of a real console the designers have included dozens of "knobs." Trying to turn a knob with a mouse is the most ridiculous and frustrating concept I have ever come across.
Consoles were designed for human hands. Why on earth, when working on a computer, would you want to use a device designed for your hands. You need an interface designed for use with a mouse.
Possibly, if you are using a hardware interface, this makes some sense. But working from a mouse and keyboard, the design is quite lame (IMHO) - no matter how cool it looks.
In using Sonar's Track View, you have all the same exact capabilities as the console, but an interface that was designed for a computer.
My $.02.
In trying to duplicate the look of a real console the designers have included dozens of "knobs." Trying to turn a knob with a mouse is the most ridiculous and frustrating concept I have ever come across.
Consoles were designed for human hands. Why on earth, when working on a computer, would you want to use a device designed for your hands. You need an interface designed for use with a mouse.
Possibly, if you are using a hardware interface, this makes some sense. But working from a mouse and keyboard, the design is quite lame (IMHO) - no matter how cool it looks.
In using Sonar's Track View, you have all the same exact capabilities as the console, but an interface that was designed for a computer.
My $.02.
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Wops! Sorry, I forgot. I'll try to get the hold of them tonight.SteveD said:
Dachay, you're just saying that because you don't like the Console.
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dachay2tnr said:
well in samplitude of course you have a track view...and the only knobs you need to turn are the pan knobs...for the eq you can click on eq on the bottom(the blue button lit up under each eq channel) and a parametric eq comes up..not like the poor implementation of the ultrafunk plug in sonar 3...but YMMV
not to mention in samplitude i have Track freeze so HAH!
dachay2tnr
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I don't like the Console View because of that!!!!!moskus said:
Dachay, you're just saying that because you don't like the Console.
Plus, I like seeing the wave form(s) while I edit.
Qwerty
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Teacher said:
What do you use Cakewalk/Sonar for, Teacher? (not trying to dig - just interested in your workflow)
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Qwerty said:What do you use Cakewalk/Sonar for, Teacher? (not trying to dig - just interested in your workflow)
I started using sonar first so i know it pretty well and its where all my beats are...basically my pre production s/w...cuz the midi is so god damn easy to use...
after i'm done with a beat i'll record it to audio OMF it then convert the omf into a samplitude edl for mixing...i use samp for mixing cuz aesthetically its more pleasing, flow is more fluid(IMO), sounded better, and (the most important) was 100 times more stable...maybe its my system...but when i start running tons of tracks wit plug-ins i get drop-outs and even worse computer freezes...i'm talkin about i can't even ctrl-Alt-del(this only started occuring when i got my lynxtwo though)..while with samplitude my cpu usage can go over 100% and it'll STILL PLAY...it'll play with a bunch of crackles but NO DROP OUTS!...and even when the program crashes(happened maybe once or twice since i had it) it'll ask you if you want to close the program or continue i working....i always chose continue and it works fine like it didn't crash...
with that said...let me get a killer outboard mixer....even a real good line mixer and some more H/w efx...and samplitude will be out the door...
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Yeah, right!dachay2tnr said:
So this was a problem with Sonar 2 too? Please tell me that adjusting volume is easier with the Console than the tiny Volume strip in the Track View. And you'll see the waveforms if you just get a second monitor.
moskus
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Okay, that's enough anti-Sonar talk out of you... Go away!Teacher said:
You get that that was a joke, right?
Teacher
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yea but it wasn't funny
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Hmmm... should we take it to a vote?Teacher said:yea but it wasn't funny
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SteveD
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Okay... for anyone following this:SteveD said:Hey Moskus,
Did you ever find out from the music store how they have Sonar 3 configured to allow the above?
I've reverted to using S2, but still try experimenting in S3. Last night I discovered the need for higher buffer settings, and the trim controls on all analog tracks DO NOTHING... HAVE NO EFFECT in S3.
My list is getting longer!
I have emailed support@cakewalk.com. No response in two days. I will try calling them today. That ought to be time consuming
I did pre-order with Cakewalk very early, like the first day of the shipping announcement.
Have I got a beta version or a lemmon here or WHAT?
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SteveD
www.5adayclub.net/music/
Most of my issues with Sonar 3.0 seem to be related to the Mackie Control:
1. No way to effectively control Echo On/Off (Input Monitoring). I tried key binding as well as grouping the echo button with the record button, but ran into problems there. That works with the mouse, but only works on the first eight tracks using the Mackie Control. When banking over to the next 8 tracks (9-16), pressing the record button arms tracks 9-16 but still controls tracks 1-8 for the echo button in Sonar 3. Using M1-M4 buttons as a shift key have no effect.
2. Hit record enable on the Mackie Control in Console View and it looks enabled on the screen, but not so in Track View (looks very strange... you can flip back and forth between views and see opposite settings on the Record Enable button for the same track). This doesn't happen when using the mouse... only the Mackie Control.
3. Cursor Movement keys in zoom mode on the Mackie Control will not shift the Console View left and right. This is more important than I thought it would be. I use this alot. Especially since there's more going on in Sonar 3 in the bus section and it tends to overlay some of the tracks. I'm constantly going to the mouse to reveal tracks 13-16 in Console View because the cusor keys don't work on the Mackie Control.
I called Cakewalk who told me they don't write the interfaces for the control surfaces and they recommended that I call Mackie... which I did and... you guessed it, they said they don't write any interfaces for the Mackie Control. The software vendors do that. They recommended that I call Cakewalk. Ugh!
So I'll have to hang in Sonar 2.2 with my 3.0 plug-ins until SOMEBODY straightens out the Mackie Control Interface issues.
I'm curious though... My audio track trim controls don't have any effect in Sonar 3.0 and I don't see anyone else complaining about this, on this, or any other boards, or in any reviews I've read. And TechSupport hasn't heard about it.
I performed a separate clean install of Sonar 3 on my laptop (so sue me) and the problem with the trim control exists there too.
Is anyone else testing this and having the same problem?
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SteveD
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BloodShark
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Oh man, SONAR 3 will take a while to get around here in Brazil...
I want to read this to see what's new, but that makes me curious!!!
God, please give me patience... but it must be NOW! ehehe!
I want to read this to see what's new, but that makes me curious!!!
God, please give me patience... but it must be NOW! ehehe!
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OzNimbus
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SteveD said:
Steve, although I've still only got version 2.2, I have a Mackie Control, and had some initial wierdness with it as well. Mostly, it would lock up while recording some heavy automation... and nothing except a reboot could get it going again.
The workaround I found for this was to put the Mackie on a completely different MIDI interface than my main soundcard. Bingo, problem solved.
I don't know if this will help with your problem, but it's worth a shot.
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moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Turns out that the person who installed Sonar 3 and got it set up, was so annoyed by that Input Monitoring-button not being "connected" to the Arm-button, that he'd made a template with alot of tracks and he had grouped all Input Monitoring buttons and Arm buttons togheter...SteveD said:
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Yes, but that only works correctly on the first 8 tracks. Bank over to 9-16 and the record button on the Mackie is still controlling the echo buttons 1-8 in Sonar 3.moskus said:Turns out that the person who installed Sonar 3 and got it set up, was so annoyed by that Input Monitoring-button not being "connected" to the Arm-button, that he'd made a template with alot of tracks and he had grouped all Input Monitoring buttons and Arm buttons togheter...
He's right... It's VERY annoying.
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SteveD
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