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Originally posted by Porter
AW - Cakewalk,

Question re Sample Rate Export.

Will SONAR be able to dither (is that the correct term for sample rate) the sample rate down to 44.1 from say 48 on export, or will it still only do just the bit rate?
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!!! I wanna know this too!!! I recorded several things in Sonar 2.2XL @ 96 just 'cuz I could. When I finally got around to dumping them down to 44.1, not only did I have to jump through a lot of hoops to do it (save it as this, then save it as that, then...), but the end result had a bizarre "electric cricket" chirp to it.
Originally posted by James Argo Oh, BTW, don't touch the sample rate. If the end destination is CD, you should record at 44.1 and leave it that way.
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I hear ya, brother. But I'm still struggling with this issue. For example, the mastering house my friend has used for his two CDs wants the mixes @ 48.

Ptron
 
If you want to (and are able to) record with 96 kHz samplerate, then it's easier to reduce the samplerate after you've exported the file from Sonar (IMHO)... :)
 
Ptron said:
!!! I wanna know this too!!! I recorded several things in Sonar 2.2XL @ 96 just 'cuz I could. When I finally got around to dumping them down to 44.1, not only did I have to jump through a lot of hoops to do it (save it as this, then save it as that, then...), but the end result had a bizarre "electric cricket" chirp to it.I hear ya, brother. But I'm still struggling with this issue. For example, the mastering house my friend has used for his two CDs wants the mixes @ 48.

Ptron
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In SONAR 3, you can't change the sampling rate in the export options. It is something we'd like to address, though.
 
moskus said:
If you want to (and are able to) record with 96 kHz samplerate, then it's easier to reduce the samplerate after you've exported the file from Sonar (IMHO)... :)
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How? With what? I suppose those are questions for another thread. I think I'll start one over on the "Computer recording and soundcard" board.

Ptron
 
The way you can do this is to export to a file using the sample rate you recorded at. Once you've done that, change the sampling rate in Sonar, re-start Sonar, import the exported track into the project then export it from there at the new sample rate.

I'm pretty sure that's how you do it.. you might have to change the sample rate on your sound card also.. Not 100% sure cause I haven't done it myself.

Porter
 
Actually, its not a hard question - and appropriate for here because Sonar is one of the few high end programs that DOESN'T do sample rate conversion. (sorry, had to get that one in-- I love Sonar, but hate that limitation)

Export as a stereo wave file at whatever sample rate you are using, then load the file into a wave file editor. On the PC, some good ones are Wavelab, Cool Edit Pro (now called Adobe Audition), and SoundForge. Each of these programs have easy commands that change the sample rate of a given file -- often with a wide range of options for improved quality.

There are also freeware/shareware programs for editing and sample rate conversion. I don't know as much about these, because I'm quite happy with my Sonar/Cool Edit Pro combination. Both support the Mackie Control surface and my workflow is developing just fine.

-lee-
 
You can also do it the same way as Lee, my method keeps all the editing in Sonar.

Porter
 
Yes, you can do it through the soundcard driver. There are instructions on the Cakewalk website about how to do it. I have two objections to this way:
1) its clunky and akward (not too important)
2) it is highly dependent on the sample rate conversion routines provided by the soundcard manufacturer. These conversions need to happen in real-time, so they are not able to be as high a quality as the ones in outside programs that are not constrained to happen as the song plays. There are some sound cards with on-board DSP that may be able to provide the quality I want, but they are quite expensive.

It bugs me that Cakewalk hasn't prioritized including this basic functionality -- especially when there are FREE quality routines for doing quality conversion. I love Sonar, but two things have bugged me. One, they addressed in 3.0 (busses). This one, I hope they address in a 3.1 release.

-lee-
 
Porter said:
The way you can do this is to export to a file using the sample rate you recorded at. Once you've done that, change the sampling rate in Sonar, re-start Sonar, import the exported track into the project then export it from there at the new sample rate.

I'm pretty sure that's how you do it.. you might have to change the sample rate on your sound card also.. Not 100% sure cause I haven't done it myself.
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Yeah, that's what I did when I got the electric cricket chirp. Not only is it a pain in the ass to go through that process, but the result is unusable. I've only tried it once though.

Yes, Sonar should include this feature and no friggin'way I'm buying 3.x until they do. I was pretty amazed when I realized 2.2 XL didn't have it. It's kind of an important thing to have if you want to track and mix at higher rates than 44.

Ptron
 
Ptron said:
Yes, Sonar should include this feature and no friggin'way I'm buying 3.x until they do.
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Oh hell, who am I kidding. I'll probably still get it... eventually. Question is then, what does a good job of sample rate reduction for free, or at least dirt cheap, since I can't afford to buy Soundforge or Wavelab just for one feature?

Ptron
 
Just in case anyone here @ HR.COM planned on using the new TASCAM FW-1844 Control Surface W/ PE-8 Expander with Sonar 3.0....

Our member, Hornplayer has shared with me that....
*****Spin brought up that Sonar 3.0 may not support the outboard additional 8 channel sliders (PE-8 Expander Surface).
I checked with Cakewalk.
They say they will be writing another software interface template for it, and it will be available shortly.
I don't know what shortly means, but they are aware that the current template does not do the job.
The additional 8 fader unit is not quite out yet, so I'm sure Cakewalk is not too concerned until the units hit the street.*****
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Here is a link to the TASCAM control surface and expander.

http://www.tascam.com/images/products/computer_recording/fw1884/FE-8+1884.jpg

http://www.tascam.com/images/products/computer_recording/fw1884/fw1884_rear.jpg

http://www.tascam.com/products/computer_recording/fw1884/index.php
 
SPINSTERWUN said:
Here is a link to the TASCAM control surface and expander.
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Wow, looks almost as cool as the new Console View! :D
 
Has it been said wether Sonar 3 comes with a mp3 encoder built in?

Porter
 
Thanks for that... I missed that... or probably just skipped over that when I read it initially.

Porter
 
Hey Porter........

I just signed up with the email offer with cakewalk direct - i haven't got any news of when it would be arriving.........

Have you heard anything differently?

I guess you bet is correct though, dammit!

:) Q.
 
I'm going to order mine through Intelliware down in Adelaide.. they are the Australian Distributers for Cakewalk plus a couple of other programs. Your order will probably go through them also.

They are expecting it the second week of October... plus the International Shipping indicates 10-21 days...

Q, Where abouts in Syd? I'm Inner-West.

Porter
 
Hmmm..... sometimes it looks as though there would be reasons for living in the US....... But.......... I will just continue to wait, and pace and wait and pace and wait......

:) Q.

I am over at North Ryde
 
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