bennychico11
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mrT said:
none of your reasons are valid.
your "because I don't believe in following the rules" response is just retarded
none of your reasons are valid.
your "because I don't believe in following the rules" response is just retarded
mrT
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bennychico11 said:
and you're still an asshole.
bennychico11
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mrT said:
if by asshole you mean "right"....then yes, yes I'm right.
Thank you for finally seeing that.
mrT
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bennychico11 said:
No, I meant an asshole. Nothing else. No matter what you think of me you are still an asshole for being well... such an asshole about it.
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brzilian
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Yareek said:Yeah there's nothing better than paying $15 for a slow download of songs at 128 kbps with no treble and phase issuesSorry, iTunes blows.
I have yet to spend $15 on an entire album on iTunes.
And MP3 downloads off of BitTorrent are better how?
Not sure what you mean by slow downloads either. iTunes has been consistenly fast for me from day one. Unless you find a file on BitTorrent with a ton of peers and seeders, you're looking at 10kbps downloads. Whoopie!!
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Minion
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cortexx said:I don't believe you just typed that
I don't know which Canada you live in , but in the Canada I live in pot is illegal and there are no such stores you can "buy" it over the counter. Pot was decriminalized for personal use , it's still "illegal" though, especially trafficking the drug.
I dispair when i read that people think that stealing something is ok if it's easy to steal and it "becomes" the real owners "fault" because it was easy to take, copy or whatever. Seriously guys , where is your personal integrity and self respect ? do people even have that any more ?
The problem here is that people that do pirate and steal from others really do not have the ability to see it any other way. It's akin to watching a cockroach run over your kitchen floor and then try to explain to it that it cannot live in your kitchen. It neither has the mental or intellectual capacity to understand you so you are wasting your breath
I guess you should take a Visit to the west coast...There are MANY Coffee Shops that sell Pot over the Counter and many more so called "Compassion Clubs" that sell pot for so called medical use.....The one in Victoria is only 4 blocks from the Police station and Right down town.....
And I didn"t say stealing is OK, I just said that there has to be a deterent for stealing, Just saying it is wrong won"t stop poeple from doing it, This isn"t a perfect world were everybody has a concience and does the right thing all the Time, there are allways going to be poeple who do what is easiest for them no matter if they think it is right or wrong, that is why we have laws and cops and judges ect and why poeple lock there doors at night.....
In the real world some poeple will take advantage of others for personal gain and the only reason why allmost everybody doesn"t do it is because of the deterant of jail and Fines ect, but without the deterant a Law is useless....
And "YES" software companies could protect there software from mass piracy if they really wanted to as there are some programs and games that are pretty much Uncrackable or if they are crackable the method of cracking is so complex that the regular person wouldn"t bother, and without dongles or undue hardship on the consumer.....
Take for instance the Game "Half Life II" it has a very good protection scheme that is Virtually uncrackable and the Cracks that are available dont work worth shit and are extremely complex to apply....
If they simply made each copy of software with it"s own unique serial number that will not work with any other copy and with an online verification every time you start the program and encrypt the sencitive areas of code with a unique encryption algorythm ,that would thwart 90% of would be reverse engineerers and/Or make the crack so difficult to implement that most would be pirates wouldn"t bother......
If we lived In a perfect world were everyone does what is right we wouldn"t even be haveing this discussion but we all have to realize that this isn"t a perfect world and everyone has to do there part that means Yes even the victims of piracy...If they aren"t willing to protect them selves , and the Pirates aren"t going to stop then were does that leave us?? well it leaves us here bitching about how bad Piracy is but without doing a thing about it accept bitching ..... Eventally the Prices will get so High that poeple will stop buying it and then Maybe the software companies will get off these asses and actually implement something, OR the Law will get off it"s ass and start nailing the Poeple who distribute pirated software but something has to happen because the way it is now there is no reason why unscroupulous poeple shouldn"t use it accept maybe a guilty concience, then again the unscroupulous don"t have much of a concience which is I guess the heart of the matter.....
Grilled_Cheese
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Minion said:And "YES" software companies could protect there software from mass piracy if they really wanted to as there are some programs and games that are pretty much Uncrackable or if they are crackable the method of cracking is so complex that the regular person wouldn"t bother, and without dongles or undue hardship on the consumer.....
Take for instance the Game "Half Life II" it has a very good protection scheme that is Virtually uncrackable and the Cracks that are available dont work worth shit and are extremely complex to apply....
If they simply made each copy of software with it"s own unique serial number that will not work with any other copy and with an online verification every time you start the program and encrypt the sencitive areas of code with a unique encryption algorythm ,that would thwart 90% of would be reverse engineerers and/Or make the crack so difficult to implement that most would be pirates wouldn"t bother......
First of all, there is no "uncrackable" software.
Yes, software companies could implement this kind of online serial # verification, but that means every person using a DAW would have to have internet access at the time of recording.
Most people here don't even use the same computer for recording, they keep theirs offline.
And what if you internet goes out?
If it was so cheap/easy to make their software uncrackable, they would. It's the fact that doing so would be inconvenient to the people who actually pay for it. They would lose customers.
Why lose profit over profit never lost to begin with? It doesn't make sense.
This is why in project development, the topic of piracy does not come up often.
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SBax
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Reilley said:
Imagine the parents too. While raising their kids they seemed to miss teaching that lesson.
Reilley
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MySpace to filter copyright music files
Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — MySpace.com will use “audio fingerprinting” technology to block users from uploading copyright music to the social networking site, the company said Monday.
MySpace, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., said it will review all music files uploaded by community members to their on-line profiles. The files will be run through a music database from Gracenote Inc.
“MySpace is staunchly committed to protecting artists' rights, whether those artists are on major labels or are independent acts,” said Chris DeWolfe, MySpace chief executive and co-founder.
The company said users who repeatedly attempt to upload copyright music files will be permanently barred from the site.
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On-line sites such as MySpace and YouTube have come under fire from major record labels who have sued in some cases to prevent copyright music from being included as the soundtrack to a user-generated content.
Several record labels recently announced licensing deals with YouTube, which has chosen to share ad revenue with record labels rather than filter music itself.
The challenge of policing its users' music choices is just one issue facing MySpace, which has skyrocketed in popularity over the past year.
The social networking site must address concerns that it will morph from a user-controlled site to a corporate tool that News Corp. uses to push the company's movies and TV shows. MySpace also has been grappling with frequent spam attacks and has had to take steps to limit invitations from bogus “friends” sent to thousands of users at a time.
Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — MySpace.com will use “audio fingerprinting” technology to block users from uploading copyright music to the social networking site, the company said Monday.
MySpace, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., said it will review all music files uploaded by community members to their on-line profiles. The files will be run through a music database from Gracenote Inc.
“MySpace is staunchly committed to protecting artists' rights, whether those artists are on major labels or are independent acts,” said Chris DeWolfe, MySpace chief executive and co-founder.
The company said users who repeatedly attempt to upload copyright music files will be permanently barred from the site.
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On-line sites such as MySpace and YouTube have come under fire from major record labels who have sued in some cases to prevent copyright music from being included as the soundtrack to a user-generated content.
Several record labels recently announced licensing deals with YouTube, which has chosen to share ad revenue with record labels rather than filter music itself.
The challenge of policing its users' music choices is just one issue facing MySpace, which has skyrocketed in popularity over the past year.
The social networking site must address concerns that it will morph from a user-controlled site to a corporate tool that News Corp. uses to push the company's movies and TV shows. MySpace also has been grappling with frequent spam attacks and has had to take steps to limit invitations from bogus “friends” sent to thousands of users at a time.
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cortexx
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Minion said:I guess you should take a Visit to the west coast...There are MANY Coffee Shops that sell Pot over the Counter and many more so called "Compassion Clubs" that sell pot for so called medical use.....The one in Victoria is only 4 blocks from the Police station and Right down town.....
And I didn"t say stealing is OK, I just said that there has to be a deterent for stealing, Just saying it is wrong won"t stop poeple from doing it, This isn"t a perfect world were everybody has a concience and does the right thing all the Time, there are allways going to be poeple who do what is easiest for them no matter if they think it is right or wrong, that is why we have laws and cops and judges ect and why poeple lock there doors at night.....
In the real world some poeple will take advantage of others for personal gain and the only reason why allmost everybody doesn"t do it is because of the deterant of jail and Fines ect, but without the deterant a Law is useless....
And "YES" software companies could protect there software from mass piracy if they really wanted to as there are some programs and games that are pretty much Uncrackable or if they are crackable the method of cracking is so complex that the regular person wouldn"t bother, and without dongles or undue hardship on the consumer.....
Take for instance the Game "Half Life II" it has a very good protection scheme that is Virtually uncrackable and the Cracks that are available dont work worth shit and are extremely complex to apply....
If they simply made each copy of software with it"s own unique serial number that will not work with any other copy and with an online verification every time you start the program and encrypt the sencitive areas of code with a unique encryption algorythm ,that would thwart 90% of would be reverse engineerers and/Or make the crack so difficult to implement that most would be pirates wouldn"t bother......
If we lived In a perfect world were everyone does what is right we wouldn"t even be haveing this discussion but we all have to realize that this isn"t a perfect world and everyone has to do there part that means Yes even the victims of piracy...If they aren"t willing to protect them selves , and the Pirates aren"t going to stop then were does that leave us?? well it leaves us here bitching about how bad Piracy is but without doing a thing about it accept bitching ..... Eventally the Prices will get so High that poeple will stop buying it and then Maybe the software companies will get off these asses and actually implement something, OR the Law will get off it"s ass and start nailing the Poeple who distribute pirated software but something has to happen because the way it is now there is no reason why unscroupulous poeple shouldn"t use it accept maybe a guilty concience, then again the unscroupulous don"t have much of a concience which is I guess the heart of the matter.....
I have not been to the west coast but where i live Pot is illegal to sell and obtain and it should stay that way as far as i am concerned.
The reason most people don't steal from each other is because it's wrong and they respect each others rights and property , they don't need a deterant unless they have a lack of moral fibre or lack respect for their fellow human being. A good test of this is "what would you do if you saw a wallet on the ground with $1000 in it ?" most decent people would hand it in to the cop station , people who couldn't give a damn (and from my experience that is still the minority thank god) would probably throw the cash in their pocket and ditch the wallet. I guess you have to ask yourself which side of the fence are you on ?
And as someone here did mention , it's impossible to provide crackproof software, and most computers in a DAW are not connected to the internet because the security is an issue and so are viruses and other threats . By softwares very nature if you can get a copy of it , then you can decompile the executables and then recompile them with the software protection code removed . This is impossible to stop period. It is also worth mentioning that most home users that use pirate copies are plain users or at best "script kiddies" and NOT hackers, the hacker is the one hacking the program , not the one using it. It only takes one hacker to hack it and release the hacked copy to thousands if not millions of other low lifes through FTP sites , bit torrents , chat rooms and other means , this is where the damage is done and the price of the program incorporates the cost of piracy , thats why pirating software is the same as taking cash out of the pocket of those preparted to pay for it!
gcapel
boom box recordings
I am on board with the stoppage of piracy.
I work with industrial controls. The software I use is expensive in the 2-3k range. They make you update your license every year and give you a floppy disc that can only be activated once. You can't copy it and use it again. Although you could make an image of it, it would still be harder to share.
I'm sure new technology will come along to put a stop to this. I admit I have been guilty of these years back. But some life changing events struck a chord in me to change my ways. I have bought box versions of the software a friend copied for me before. And advise others to do this to clear your heart.
I feel the same way toward music downloading. Home recording enthusiast as we are realizes what it takes to make an album. Why should someone be able to freely take music that took hard work and $$ to make. I don't care if the record label is making most of the money, your still stealing from someone.
I work with industrial controls. The software I use is expensive in the 2-3k range. They make you update your license every year and give you a floppy disc that can only be activated once. You can't copy it and use it again. Although you could make an image of it, it would still be harder to share.
I'm sure new technology will come along to put a stop to this. I admit I have been guilty of these years back. But some life changing events struck a chord in me to change my ways. I have bought box versions of the software a friend copied for me before. And advise others to do this to clear your heart.
I feel the same way toward music downloading. Home recording enthusiast as we are realizes what it takes to make an album. Why should someone be able to freely take music that took hard work and $$ to make. I don't care if the record label is making most of the money, your still stealing from someone.
Treeline
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mrT said:
Not quite so fast. The Windows license allows use on a different computer and allows programs like WORD to be transferred from one to another, as long as the user is operating within the original license. That's part of the deal with Windows upgrades - downloads involve an automatic check to determine if the copy of windows is registered.
My copy of Adobe Audition 2.0 includes registration codes I received from Adobe that allow me to load it on two computers - I asked them and they gave me the codes. If I want to run it on more than two - I have to get another license or contact Adobe for another code and pay for it. I have it loaded on my laptop and my DAW - legitimately.
When I had a computer failure a couple of years ago, my n-track codes were gone. I reloaded the program and e-mailed Flavio, the publisher, and explained what happened. I had a replacement code in an hour.
This stuff has value. It's wrong to take it. It's easy to be legit here. Not rocket science. And anyone who thinks he actually needs a set of Waves plugins can pay for them or do without. Nobody has to have this stuff.
ridgeback
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For crying out loud! It's frickin stealing no matter what you call it or how you justify it. Why the fuck steal when there's developers our there making shit for free? DAW's and plugs alike. Huh? I mean WTF? I've owned and bought every bit of software I've ever used. Meanwhile N Track and Ardour are out there for anyone who's not able to buy there own. I pay good money for PT and my hardware and that doesn't make me any better a person than anyone else. However I don't steal and that does. If any pirate out there was smart enough to write their own program, I'd bet they'd feel different about their argument now. Shit, this threads' pretty F'd up now.
dirtyp
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“Fans who share music are not thieves or pirates. Sharing music has been happening for decades.” - CMCC (Canadian Music Creators Coalition)
I understand with expensive programs.
But as a musician its helpful for people to share music, I give out free cds.
Alot of cds are promo cds(ie mixcds) wich arent suppossed to be sold, but people sell them wich should be a bigger crime.
How many of you were giving a cd before?
I understand with expensive programs.
But as a musician its helpful for people to share music, I give out free cds.
Alot of cds are promo cds(ie mixcds) wich arent suppossed to be sold, but people sell them wich should be a bigger crime.
How many of you were giving a cd before?
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xstatic
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The difference is that YOU are choosing to give your music away instead of someone else choosing for you.
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xstatic
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The difference is that YOU are choosing to give your music away instead of someone else choosing for you.
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darkecho
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Ummm, i am seeing quite a few posts in here that are quite retarded... people complaining that pirating is wrong BECAUSE it allows other kids who dont spend as much money on their equiptment put out music that sucks....
wow. is this for real, you are complaining that some kid gets to say he has a studio but its only 100$ in value and he didnt pay as much as you???!, WHAT THE FUCK?!!?
THE REAL PROBLEM IS THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS SOFTWARE WHO ARENT GETTING A RETURN!
There are several ways to look at it, one... Software is a nonrival good, meaning, if one person pirates it, theres no less available for anyone else. Its not exactly stealing because there isnt a set amount of product available, so for a corporation selling their product, having little kids who couldnt afford the shit anyways, copying their software to use, is not going to affect their business ONE BIT!
now, on the other hand, if everyone pirated the software, obviously the company who made it would go out of business, so Ideally, anyone who could afford to buy the software would buy it, those who cannot afford it would copy it, and the company would be just as well off if pirating didnt exist.
downloading music is much different because almost anyone can afford a CD, but once you obtain that CD, you have much less reason to go out and buy it.
I always buy the music I like, generally after I have heard an Mp3 somewhere of it, I am not going to go wasting my money on albums that I dont knoe if I want or not. The reality is, I can obtain anything for free, so I do so to see if It is any good, once I decide if I want to listen to it and continue to get enjoyment from it, I will 100% definately buy it, thats how I operate. it is economical and efficient, and it saves you from getting ripped by blindly buying albums from other artists..
in a world devoid of free music downloads, all of these little bands would have NO chance of getting heard because no one would risk buying an album that they have no idea if its good or not.. so for the smaller bands its an advatage. for the big rock stars who have a reputation and can get on the radio with no effort, they will just be mising out on profits because they dont need to be "discovered".
so anyways, its sort of a fucked up situation that will not even reach an equilibrium..
if people were honest and those who could afford to buy software did, and those who didnt just copied it, there would be no problem
but the people who can afford it will get jealous of those who cant afford it, but get it anyways OR those who can afford it but do not buy it..
just think of it this way if you have a hard time buying shit... If you really like a band or some software, then dont you think that the company that produced it and is now in debt trying to pay the bank back for borrowing money, deserves payment?
I do, I always feel better after buying a band that I like's cd and knowing that I contributed to that bands funds, and that because I paid them money for their hard work, there is a better chance that they will have enough money and REASON to produce another goddamn album.
wow. is this for real, you are complaining that some kid gets to say he has a studio but its only 100$ in value and he didnt pay as much as you???!, WHAT THE FUCK?!!?
THE REAL PROBLEM IS THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS SOFTWARE WHO ARENT GETTING A RETURN!
There are several ways to look at it, one... Software is a nonrival good, meaning, if one person pirates it, theres no less available for anyone else. Its not exactly stealing because there isnt a set amount of product available, so for a corporation selling their product, having little kids who couldnt afford the shit anyways, copying their software to use, is not going to affect their business ONE BIT!
now, on the other hand, if everyone pirated the software, obviously the company who made it would go out of business, so Ideally, anyone who could afford to buy the software would buy it, those who cannot afford it would copy it, and the company would be just as well off if pirating didnt exist.
downloading music is much different because almost anyone can afford a CD, but once you obtain that CD, you have much less reason to go out and buy it.
I always buy the music I like, generally after I have heard an Mp3 somewhere of it, I am not going to go wasting my money on albums that I dont knoe if I want or not. The reality is, I can obtain anything for free, so I do so to see if It is any good, once I decide if I want to listen to it and continue to get enjoyment from it, I will 100% definately buy it, thats how I operate. it is economical and efficient, and it saves you from getting ripped by blindly buying albums from other artists..
in a world devoid of free music downloads, all of these little bands would have NO chance of getting heard because no one would risk buying an album that they have no idea if its good or not.. so for the smaller bands its an advatage. for the big rock stars who have a reputation and can get on the radio with no effort, they will just be mising out on profits because they dont need to be "discovered".
so anyways, its sort of a fucked up situation that will not even reach an equilibrium..
if people were honest and those who could afford to buy software did, and those who didnt just copied it, there would be no problem
but the people who can afford it will get jealous of those who cant afford it, but get it anyways OR those who can afford it but do not buy it..
just think of it this way if you have a hard time buying shit... If you really like a band or some software, then dont you think that the company that produced it and is now in debt trying to pay the bank back for borrowing money, deserves payment?
I do, I always feel better after buying a band that I like's cd and knowing that I contributed to that bands funds, and that because I paid them money for their hard work, there is a better chance that they will have enough money and REASON to produce another goddamn album.
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bewildered
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So whats the new color of greed, silicon green?
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
Sorry, dude, the fact that you don't like capitalism means nothing to anyone else. I can't help it if you cannot compete.bewildered said:
If you think we're all making fortunes in the software world, you're sadly deluded (but I suspected that already).
When the incentives to innovate disappear, so will innovation.
Christ, spare me pseudo-intellectuals.
Treeline
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Yet Another Coward Without Enough Thimbles Even To Sign Negative Rep... said:
Um, well....
heh heh...
NO.
But have a nice day anyway, and
please remember to close the door
on your way out. Thank you so much and
good night.
