Snare in overheads

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ecktronic said:
Not sure if you are talking about my ways of fixing, they are not ridiculous, they work period.

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No they don't. They're like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. Throwing a bunch of DAW tricks and plug-ins at a problem doesn't ever fix it. Your crazy ideas certainly will do something, but they don't un-record a problem that's been recorded.
 
Dude. It's not a gun shot'. Nor does everything necessarily have to be about if or when to trash something and start over. How about just some sound guys chatting about tools, methods and stuff in their spare time.... too
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Sorry, I just thought it was better to not give the guy a bunch of bad ideas. I'd personally rather get common sense and truth instead of a bunch of spitballing.
 
I ran into this on a recent project i did not record. There is nothing u can do really. I just ended up bringing the overheads in and did the best I could.
 
Greg_L said:
No they don't. They're like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. Throwing a bunch of DAW tricks and plug-ins at a problem doesn't ever fix it. Your crazy ideas certainly will do something, but they don't un-record a problem that's been recorded.
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Wow, who ever said about unrecording? Obviously the best thing is to re-record but the OP was looking for a fix, and my ideas work.

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ecktronic said:
Wow, who ever said about unrecording? Obviously the best thing is to re-record but the OP was looking for a fix, and my ideas work.

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I don't think they do. I think they're half-assed "solutions" to poor tracking. Like I said, I'm sure they do something, but fix the problem they do not.
 
I agree with Greg_L.

The damage has been done in tracking. Time aligning? Sounds like clownfuckery to me (no offense). If you want the snare centered in the over heads, just MONO THE OVERHEADS. Why am I the only guy suggesting this? Why are we so scared of mono?

Cheers :)
 
Mo Facta said:
I agree with Greg_L.

The damage has been done in tracking. Time aligning? Sounds like clownfuckery to me (no offense). If you want the snare centered in the over heads, just MONO THE OVERHEADS. Why am I the only guy suggesting this? Why are we so scared of mono?

Cheers :)
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Because collapsing out of phase overheads tracks down to mono sounds shittier than having a snare lean to one side.

I think the only worthwhile mono solution here is to pick one of the overhead tracks and use it alone.
 
Yeah, if the overheads are out of phase that would be absolutely true. If they're out of phase though he'd have a lot more problems than the snare off to one side.
 
The snare being off to one side is a form of being out of phase. If you use the line of thinking that the snare should be centered, which this guy is, then a snare being lopsided in the stereo field means one of the overhead mics is picking up the snare sooner and/or more prominently than the other. Panning both of those tracks together on the same plane is gonna sound like ass. If going mono is his best solution for a centered snare, then using just one of the overhead tracks is probably his best bet.
 
Track Rat said:
Yeah, if the overheads are out of phase that would be absolutely true. If they're out of phase though he'd have a lot more problems than the snare off to one side.
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Unless the overheads were a coincident pair there will be phase issues between them. Or perhaps you're thinking polarity rather than phase, because that would definitely be a problem.
 
Greg_L said:
The snare being off to one side is a form of being out of phase.
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If the overheads are separated then true, in addition to level differences. If the overheads are a coincident pair then the difference is mostly level.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
If the overheads are separated then true, in addition to level differences. If the overheads are a coincident pair then the difference is mostly level.
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I'm just assuming here, but I'm betting they aren't a coincident pair and they just threw two mics up above the kit and called it good.
 
Hey everyone, sorry I haven't posted earlier. Got a bit caught up and haven't been around for a few days. I just did a bit of research on time alignment. Yeah, never even heard of it honestly. :facepalm:
I had a project a while back where my OHs were off from the whole kit (used two interfaces to record the drums and then the OHs seperate). I ended up nudging the OHs back something like 34ms or some random number, and it kinda worked, but still sounded a bit odd. Anyway, seems like like aligning them could made it even smoother. It's crazy what they're still is to learn after you think you know a bunch already.

Is that a function that DAWs have already, or does one need a plugin to do it? I think i'll give it a try on this current set and see what happens. Also, I messed around with narrowing the drums a bit in a different tune, and i didn't hate how it sounded there so maybe that can be of some use.

I really appreciate all the talk about this! It's the reason HR is great! Even the arguing. :D Just goes to show how there isn't one glove


EDIT: Man! Just looked up how to maybe time align the drums in Cubase. Seems like a bunch of work! Is that the case? How do you go about it?
 
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