simultaneous recording

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ok heres the thing, i want to be able to get something that will let me record at least 4 tracks at the same time and to do that wont it need 4 XLR inputs? i would like to be able to able to record 8 tracks at the same time maybe....hmmm, and if it were analog, how do you covert it to digital or put it on a cd?....anyway

what i basically want to do is be able to record 4 and up tracks all at the same time what do i need to get?
 
To record 4 or more tracks at once in analog. You would need an 8 tracj recorder perhaps? Maybe a 16 track? BUt then you are getting into much thicker tape and it is gonna cost more than you want to spend. OR you could go digital, and buy an 8 input interface for your computer. You will then need 4 or more channels worth of preamps, and some decent mics.


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I would suggest a USB or firewire mixer as the most cost effective solution. (cheep and useful) or you can do what I did and get yourself a sound card like the Delta 10/10 but you'll need adapters and most likly you'll wan't another mixer so you have controll over the levels... I advise you not to make my mistake and you should go with the USB/FIRE wire mixer. the computer will record it in wav. format (usually) and you can use win. media player to conver & burn onto a cd in cd format.

(the usb mixer has an XLR and 1/4" input per input. you'll also need software. something like cubase. or you could find sone free software online)
 
Get yourself a firewire mixer or interface, if you want to be mixerless.
 
frankie410 said:
ok heres the thing, i want to be able to get something that will let me record at least 4 tracks at the same time and to do that wont it need 4 XLR inputs? i would like to be able to able to record 8 tracks at the same time maybe....hmmm, and if it were analog, how do you covert it to digital or put it on a cd?....anyway

what i basically want to do is be able to record 4 and up tracks all at the same time what do i need to get?

Two words;

Presonus Firepod
 
danny.guitar said:
A mixer...

This is COMPLETLY the wrong F'n answer.
C'mon man...atleast understand what he wrote before you reply! :D
 
Markaholic said:
This is COMPLETLY the wrong F'n answer.
C'mon man...atleast understand what he wrote before you reply! :D


I too would suggest a mixer (and I read the post), as an 'analog' option.
Ofcourse, an interface/card should fit in there somewhere too!! (Delta 44/66/1010/)
From there, some form of multitrack software will come in handy. (CEPro, Protools, Cubase,....anything you can lay your hands on.)
This can be done without breaking the bank, though not as cheap as some other suggestions...........
..........or go for some of the great firewire/usb interfaces that are getting cheaper/better all the time (as a straight digital option), as suggested in this forum.
One thing is for sure, regardless of the 'system' you choose...you'll find some incredible support/INFO right here, if you need!!
Kindest Regards, :)
Superspit.
 
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superspit said:
I too would suggest a mixer (and I read the post), as an 'analog' option.


the reason (I think) is why he said it was a bad suggestion is because most mixers do NOT output 4 tracks. They output a stereo mix. You would need a mixer that has direct outs or inserts to "cheat" it.
Or a firewire/USB mixer that claims to record all of it's tracks separately.
 
I use an 8 In 8 Out soundcard with a Break Out Box into a multitrack prog (Cakewalk pro audio 9.3) so I can record up to 8 simultaneous tracks though have only done 4 to date.
 
frankie410 said:
ok heres the thing, i want to be able to get something that will let me record at least 4 tracks at the same time and to do that wont it need 4 XLR inputs? i would like to be able to able to record 8 tracks at the same time maybe....hmmm, and if it were analog, how do you covert it to digital or put it on a cd?....anyway

what i basically want to do is be able to record 4 and up tracks all at the same time what do i need to get?

Okay people think we should review...I think we may have all jumped the gun with our talk of mixers and soundcards!

He wants to know how to record...a mixer, I'm pretty sure, wont do that by itself! it won't commit anything, no matter how beautifully blended, to memory. I think we need to know whether it's hardware recording or software recording that's to be done.

Frankie, hardware recording is your standard 8 track recorder, popular brand sbeing Zoom, Boss, Tascam etc. They're stand alone devices with a built-in hard drive and in most cases, a built in CD writer. Depending on the model, they come with 8/12/16 channels, usually about half of which are XLR or mic inputs with built in Pre-amps. The other channels are usually for line level instruments, like midi keyboards or D.I'd guitars. All the editing is done on the device itself, and most contain some sort of built-in mixer with faders, fx-sends and EQs. You can record tracks, overdub, bounce one track down on to another for multiple layering. Once your sng is completed, you can burn it to CD. Some of the newer versions also support USB connectivity, so you can bounce tracks to your PC and back. The benefits of hardware recording are that it's pretty-much self-contained; you press record and you're good to go. You burn it down when you're done and thats one song in the bag :)

Software recording is different. It involves a computer, and a device which acts as an intermediary between your instruments and your computer. These are called audio interfaces or sound cards; bear in mind that the sound card that came with your PC is most likely designed for playing MP3s, and is not good enough to use to record. So, you get a soundcard and use it in conjunction with what is known as a sequencer; a software program that allows you to arrange and edit musical parts to an enormous degree. That'd be the main differnece between hardware and software recording; in my opinion, software recording sacrifices practicality for functionality. It does require a pretty decent PC, and an audio card to get started, but after that the possibilities are almost endless. You may have heard people talking about plug-ins which are used to shape sounds and add effects; virtual instruments and software sythesisers can offer convincing reproductions thanks to MIDI. You can also mix hardware and software by applying hardware components before your sound card; external compressors and pre amps for example.

Okay frankie, if you knew all this already, I'm sorry for wasting your time! But both methods will allow you record multiple tracks at once, and edit them seperately. If you want 8 XLR inputs, to record say, a drum kit, you can get a hardware recorder like this or you can get an audio interface with 8 channels like this.

Hope this clarifies somewhat.
 
bennychico11 said:
the reason (I think) is why he said it was a bad suggestion is because most mixers do NOT output 4 tracks. They output a stereo mix. You would need a mixer that has direct outs or inserts to "cheat" it.
Or a firewire/USB mixer that claims to record all of it's tracks separately.

I guess...but wouldn't you say that there are more mixers available with seperate outs than with just a stereo mix. Only the smallest of mixers appear to have stereo outs only.(?).
That was the basis of my feedback.
With these slightly larger mixers with sep outs, you could have as many outs as you could afford, take them, and put them into as many inputs as you could afford ( a Delta 10, 44 or whatever, for example?).
Just one option (which happens to be mine!), and works very well, if you're a hardware junky like me!! :)
 
superspit said:
I guess...but wouldn't you say that there are more mixers available with seperate outs than with just a stereo mix. Only the smallest of mixers appear to have stereo outs only.(?).


yes, but when newbies (excuse the term) think about buying a mixer they automatically find the cheapest one they can find. A cheap mackie or a cheap Behringer. Hell, I have a 12 channel Mackie on it and the only "direct outs" on it I can use are the Inserts.

Do you really think people who are going to buy a mixer are going to look in the 500+ range? Might as well buy an audio interface with that many inputs. Especially if you're going to need 4 simultaneous INs. There is no point in buying a mixer. Because if you're going to get an analog mixer, you STILL need to convert it to digital somehow (ie. an audio interface). Which defeats the whole purpose of a mixer.

IMO, the ONLY reason you should ever buy a mixer is if you want to MIX something (hence the name mixer). ie. you are working with music/audio that needs to be sent to the speakers you have. Summing multiple channels to two or more speakers.
 
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Yea sorry for the bad answer. I must have misunderstood the question.

If you want 4 SEPERATE tracks recording at the same time, I would go with an interface as was already suggested.

And for analog, I don't know. I have no experience with analog recording other than a cheap cassette recorder. ;)
 
bennychico11 said:
yes, but when newbies (excuse the term) think about buying a mixer they automatically find the cheapest one they can find. A cheap mackie or a cheap Behringer. Hell, I have a 12 channel Mackie on it and the only "direct outs" on it I can use are the Inserts.

Do you really think people who are going to buy a mixer are going to look in the 500+ range? Might as well buy an audio interface with that many inputs. Especially if you're going to need 4 simultaneous INs. There is no point in buying a mixer. Because if you're going to get an analog mixer, you STILL need to convert it to digital somehow (ie. an audio interface). Which defeats the whole purpose of a mixer.

IMO, the ONLY reason you should ever buy a mixer is if you want to MIX something (hence the name mixer). ie. you are working with music/audio that needs to be sent to the speakers you have. Summing multiple channels to two or more speakers.

Hi BC11,
mmmm...I see where you're coming from,...and Danny G, don't appologise, your answer is still fine.(albeit short!)
I bought a new Alto L-16 (16 ins/8 outs/stereo feed in and out, all the bells and whistles for $300 AUS,NEW...!) ....and there were much cheaper ones too, with 'proper' multi direct outs.
I guess I'm saying that even a 'Newbie' may want to go the mixer type system to begin with, rather than the alternatives(?).
They are more flexible, I feel, especially when the guys come over and want to lay a track live. Or maybe you just want <>8 seperate outs for your kit...who knows, who really cares?...It's just a little more flexible if you choose to work with lots of mics and / or people, in the future....and they really aren't that expensive, for basic entry level boards.
That coupled to a delta, for example, and some software and.......er, um......whammo.
It all depends on what you wannado!
(ok...go ahead...let me have it).
Kindest regards,
Superspit.
 
Have a look at the Alesis units, like this one
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alesis-MultiMix-8-FireWire-8Channel-Analog-Mixer?sku=630151

For $300 it's hard to go wrong. It come with 4 preamps and plugs in via firewire so you don't need a seperate sound card.

If you need more, have a look at the firepod. $500 gets you 8 preamps, higher sampling rate (96K v 48K on the Alesis) firewire etc, just less knobs & buttons.
http://www.bayviewproaudio.com/customer/product.php?productid=22519&cat=0&page=1
 
those 8 inputs on the firepod, the inputs are those just regular xlr inputs?
 
yes, with pretty good pres by all accounts. ALso has a few line level inputs.
 
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