Shure KSM-27 vs. Studio Projects C1

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Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could recommend one of these microphones vs. the other. I guess I'm looking for the more versatile between the two mics. The price difference shouldn't matter too much to me. I've only heard good things about the C1 and haven't heard much about the KSM-27, but I'd like to hear your opinions on these mics. The gear I have to record with consists of the BR-8, Soundcraft Spirit Folio SX, two Oktava MC012's, three Shure SM57's, a Beta 52, and a Sennheiser MD421. I'm recording rock music, so it's just electric guitar, acoustic guitar, drums, and bass. I'm 17 and fairly new to recording, so help would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
unless you are recording vocals, you have the mics covered pretty good.....
 
And he's got some good ole "British EQ" happening with his mixer too...I'd say he's off to a great start wouldn't you?
 
Yeah, and the kicker is that he's 17...i couldnt even spell recording when i was 17.....

at this point i think id go for something different like a nice ribbon mic......
 
or maybe even upgrade your recording medium...that Boss unit must be pretty limiting...can you record to all 8 tracks at once?.....
 
Actually, I forgot to mention that I am going to record vocals too. They're probably going to be female vocals, but I think I should be ready for anything.
Yeah, I know my BR-8 is pretty limiting(only two tracks at once), but I just dont't have that much money. I mean, I had a hard enough time saving up money to buy all the things I have now. I guess I could try to sell my BR-8 and try to find something better, maybe a good soundcard and program to go straight into my computer. The only thing is though, is that my computer isn't too powerful. I think if you guys could recommend that stuff, that would help too.
But I'd still like to know which mic you guys would recommend, the C1 or the KSM-27. Or if you guys think I should head in a different direction, I'd appreciate that too. Thanks again.
 
for versatility and best cost/performance ratio Id say the C1 or the VERY ALMOST IDENTICAL sounding (and $70 less) Marshall MXLv67......
 
PinkStrat said:
And he's got some good ole "British EQ" happening with his mixer too

Don't fall for this meaningless marketing giberish. Their is no fundamental character to "British eq" which is fundamentally different from or supperior to American eq. I would take API, Pultec, Manley, or Speck eq's any day of the week over the eq's in my Allen and Heath CMC-24. Which isn't to say it's bad, but some American examples have it all over the on board eq. Soundcraft and Allen & Heath eq are not going to resemble classic Neve or Trident eq in character, even though they might be quite useful and flexible. Search rec.audio.pro with keywords "oram" and "british eq" and you'll see how this meaningless tripe has been foisted on those reading the glossy mags.

Bear
 
Yeah, I think you have a great start on your studio. As with the others, I'd recommend dumping the BR-8 and get into a different medium. Maybe a DAW setup? Anyway, on to your question. I don't know how far you are located from a decent music dealer, but I'd suggest you take a trip there and try some mics out. Its really the only way you'll get an accurate idea of the tones of these mics. You might have a tougher time with the C1, but the Shure should be accessible.

Let us know what you did.
 
I havent heard the ksm27 but I have used the ksm32 and I heard the 27 is not that dif. I own the C1 and its a great mic and never ceases to amaze me by working in its own way on dif voices or dif acoustic guitars, but its got its own sound. Its not a neutral mic. If youre looking for versatility, the shures really excel at that (while also having great character but not as noticable as the C1). Also check out the rode NT1000.
 
Bear,

No offense but I just HATE the Mackie board's sound and their EQ...they sound very nasal [like you're pinching your nose] to my ears. I also don't like the way Mackies are built either. But, that's my opinion and nobody will be hurt by it, I do love the EQ from the Neve and API etc., & there are some mixers available these days that sound a lot better than Mackies IMHO.
 
PinkStrat said:
Bear,

No offense but I just HATE the Mackie board's sound and their EQ...they sound very nasal [like you're pinching your nose] to my ears. I also don't like the way Mackies are built either. But, that's my opinion and nobody will be hurt by it, I do love the EQ from the Neve and API etc., & there are some mixers available these days that sound a lot better than Mackies IMHO.

None taken at all, I hate Mackie eq as well. Interestingly, I recall when the 8-bus boards came out, they advertised "British-style eq". It doesn't matter that an Allen & Heath board is made in England (are they still?) for the eq to sound better than a Mackie, what matters is that it's a better design. The folks at API or Daking would be very offended if you provided Mackie as an example of fundamentally American eq character. My whole point is that this marketing drivel terminology of "British eq" is meaningless; good eq is good eq, and poor eq is poor eq, and that's all on a case by case basis. Ignore the text in the glossy ads if you don't want to be lied to.

Bear
 
RedHeffer, if your budget limit is about $300, why not consider getting a
Studio Projects C3? They're only a bit more and you'd get a multi-pattern mike.
The website is www.studioprojectsusa.com

Your Sennheiser 421 is a classic large diaphram dynamic mike for vocals too!
They can be a little bright , especially for male vocals if you sing "straight down the
barrel". You might want to try recording vocals slightly off-axis to darken the sound.
You can also use a 421 to record up to three singers at once due to it's wide
cardiod pattern-so it's pretty handy to have around.
 
I'm with Chess -- reach high. Consider saving until you can choose between the C-3 and a good used KSM44, for instance. $500 puts you in range of so many truly excellent mics that you can keep for the rest of your life, if you like them, or easily resell if you don't (especially if you're buying clean used mics to begin with). These include the C-3 (new for $350), the TLM 103, the C414B-ULS, the Audio Technica AT4050 (even AT4060), the RE20, some of the BLUE mics -- the difference between $300 and $500 is WAY more than the $200 difference in price when it comes to mics.

The ONLY drawback to the C-3 is that there aren't enough of them around to be showing up used as yet (ditto the C-1). Likewise the KSM27, the Rode NTK and other newer model mics. Remember, more hits have been recorded with old stand-bys than ANY newly released mic, so don't just jump on the bandwagon in order to have the latest thing. A couple of years ago, you'd think the then-new Rode NT1 was the breakthrough of the 20th Century (it was, but only in price). Today, people treat it like it was crap. It's still the same mic it was two years ago.

You're obviously serious about recording. One of the hardest things to do is to prioritize your want list. Sometimes you really need better stands and cables, even though they don't have the same appeal as a new mic. Or maybe you need to sell some stuff so that you have enough to get what you really want.

Since you're NOT a beginner, I'd nudge you towards holding out for quality.

Best wishes,

Mark H.
 
Another thumbs up for the KSM series

I'm with Chess and Mark H. too about "aiming high". I've never heard the KSM27, and if it's anything like the KSM32 and 44 it's probably very good. But still, a used 44 or other mic in its class will be more versatile. Just my two cents.

Then again, if you're just considering a KSM27 vs. a StudioProjects C1, you might want to take tonal qualities into account. The StudioProjects are supposed to be kind of "Neumann-esque" warm; I've never heard one so I can't really support or deny that claim. The KSM series I've heard on the other hand (32 and 44) are extremely clear sounding, and that might be good or bad depending on what exactly you're recording.

What Mark H. said about cables and such also rings true...I've just recently gotten around to buying high-end cables for a few of my better mics. Long overdue improvement, probably...but the jury's still out until I actually get to test the new cables.
 
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