Sennheiser-headphones???

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Who's had experience with these?
Has anybody a/b'd them with any other headphones, which was better... Id sennheiser worth going for. This is urgent I need to know waht I want to get for sure in abou 10 or 11 hours.

I'm having a heard time just finding canadian prices and what exactly fits my needs and price, I'm willing to go to 210 Can.
I'd like them to be closed, and be good for monitoring if you have a recommendation, please! peace!

Thanks for reading...
 
mmmkay!

OK, first of all, every new idea that pops into your head shouldn't constitute a new frickin' thread to waste more bandwidth and clog up the forum.

Having said that, this is what I often refer to as far as headphones:

http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/HeadphoneList.asp

Although this list and the corresponding reviews are more aimed at the hifi enthusiast, its still a good reference. I happen to like my Sennheiser HD210's, but the HD200's have better specs and seem to be generally well-liked. HD250 II's and HD25SP's are closed and are highly rated on the above page as well. If I were you, I would get some decent heaphones, but save most of that funny money for monitors. If you really wanna go cheap, check out the review of the Koss UR-20's on that list. I picked up a pair based on the review and I'll be damned if there's anything better-sounding for $15. They are less comfortable and don't sound as nice as my Sennheisers (they're a little dark and have a less-well defined low end), but they're just great for tracking.

You really have to be careful about mixing on headphones. Believe me, not long ago I doubted the need for monitors, but seriously, what sounds good on headphones can sound pretty wack on speakers. There are actually binaural-specific recordings that have been recorded, mixed, and mastered with the intent of being played back on headphones. I used to wonder why, but now I know.

Here's a little something that I've shamelessly ripped from rec.audio.pro about mixing on headphones:


Mixing on headphones is a unique use of your hearing system (your ears and more importantly the way the brain has evolved a fantastic processing of what comes into your ears). It has NOTHING to do with listening to things in the real world where sound bounces off things and comes from all around you in a complicated collection of short and long bounces off of everything around you. Your brain can decipher these and come up with a coherent reference of your surroundings and the end result is a 'nice' sense of listening.

We listen to artificially created music and sound primarily on speakers. THat's what the end user will be doing and that's the benchmark. Pop on a set of headphones and you're in a COMPLETELy different perceptural world and while you DO hear things you wouldn;t notice in a room with speakers, you also do NOT hear other things you want to know about. spatial positioning is COMPLETELY different as are relative levels and the tonality of any sound. There's nothing wrong with listening for moments at a time on cans to check something particular but mix on them and you'll make big mistakes unknowingly. Biggest one is folks trying to use 'phones to 'isolate' themselves and make critical decisions on mic placement or eq choices when tracking in the same room with the instrument. You'll screw up the bass ballance at the least... usually worse.

Headphones force you to listen to the isolated picture that the recording itself offers. While that can be really enjoyable in itself, and even a specialised unique way of listening (you CAN 'mix for headphones' if you KNOW that NOBODY in your intended audioence will EVER listen on speakers, and do a few tricky things you can't on speakers), still, from your bedroom to the 25,000 seat arena, speakers in a room give your brain more clues about the sound than headphones do. Mixes that work on speakers translate dandily to 'phones... you will NOT make a choice on a speaker mix that sounds godawful on cans.

it does NOT work the other way; it's satanically EASY, so easy it feels GREAT, to make 'really cool sounding choices' in headphones that just reek on speakers where you'll be horrified to hear key elements of the mix vanish, sound odd, sound BAD.. ANYTHING can happen, even using teh BEST cans. The best sounding headphones I know are the STAX Lambda Pros (and lately the more reasonaly priced Beyer DT990's and the most brutally accurate the 48's) ... I've done many many location classical (and other genre) recordings with them and just have all sorts of personal little intimate physical reactions to listening to ANYTHING on them. But and I'd never use them to guarantee a final record mix to go to distribution. I'd go to as many different sets of speakers I could find and compare. At those same location recordings i would RATHER have (and often DO have) a decent set of high fidelity speakers in a room far from the performance to KNOW what I was getting.

But you want Isolation? The following concerns ANY judgement made on the sound of a mic placement and MOST especially any judgement made on a MIX...Repeat after me... If you are where you can hear the thing you;re trying to record AT ALL with headphones off, by just popping on a set of headphones You Cannot Hear The Tonality Of The Instrument To Make Important Mic Placement Judgements Fairly. We do it all the time when we HAVE to but we HATE it.. unless we can walk throught the door to the room with the speakers, shut the door and listen for real to know what was just done.

Imagine trying to drive a car with only a tv camera pointed straight ahead and you have to watch the monitor. It's a lovely picture with nice colors and maybe you can even zoom the camera in to see if that brown lump up ahead is a flat burlap bag or a newly dead groundhog, but you CAN'T tell what your driving environment is like. Can't.
 
werd!

thanks...

I get the oppinion now, that good headphones suck, because headphones suck...so it sucks to spend any big sum of cash on headphones. true/false...? Mayby I could go back get some cheaper phones and get them to put a down on my soundcard they got at the same place. That article makes it seem like headphones are useless to do any sort of music on at all!!!
I have been meaning to get monitors any day now, I'm confused?

I don't really know what to do, everywhere it says the phones I have are great, I realize now I should have gone with a cheaper pair, but it's hard where I live just to find any monitor headphones, the store I got them from only had two types of AKG's and two sennheisers, one of them 300$ and out of range, The other sennheiser was the price of the AKGm's DF's I got, so i was thinkin mayby I should cop those instead. It's easy to go back and ask for a differerent pair, but not to ask for a hundred dollars refund or something, becasue it's quite obvious their gonna make me spend it their like all places if I'm lucky enuff to get a refund.

Right now listening to them everything sounds extremely trebly and scratchy that would normally sound alright... Is this what flat is? It almost seems worse to work with if it wasn't for the separation of sounds and extreme detail...

sory about the new topics, but I'm trying to get as much help. becasue if I don't make up my mind by tommorrow, I'm stuck with these for sure. thanks!
 
Yo Priz of good Price:

You do need a nice set of cans, maybe two, maybe three....depends on your set-up.

The Beyer 770 cans are very good. Median price....about 130 pezzutos.

But, no, do not mix through cans. Mix by definitive and ratiocinative listening through a good pair of monitors...whatever your wallet can afford. The Yorkville YSM monitors are very, very good for a paultry price.

You can reach Yorkville on the net for the closest dealer to you.

Also, a wireless set of cans, good set, really liberates your vocal talent when doing a cut.

Green Hornet


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While I love my Beyer 770s - they take getting used to because of the extra wide range (things usually sound too good on them...) Sennheisers are good, as are AKG 240s and Sony 7506s...

I don't usually flat out recommend something but the only thing right for you are the Audio-Technica ATH-M40fs.... don't even look at anything else.

And don't ask another question about it.... JUST BUY 'EM AND MOVE ON.

PS... and headphones are NOT for mixing on...

Bruce
 
agreed...

It's either the audio technica's or the sony 7506 can's.
I'm gonna get them after I get my monitors and Soundcard, if I have enuff, left, but I was thining the sony's would be a good set to have for mainly recording and as another reference to check the bass out better...
 
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