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I am doing a grad student portfolio on six songs that I self produced, These are the main questions about my own recording process that I will be writing about, any insights?

Why self produce?
Is self production commercially viable?
Why not self produce?
Would it be preferable to work in a studio with other producers and engineers than self produce?
Would it be helpful to have recorded in a studio with a producer first?
Overcoming technical and/or musical limitations?
Balancing time between technical tasks and music making?
Remaining objective about the quality of the recordings?
Judging when the work is finished?
Staying motivated, creating goals?
Making money with self produced projects?
 
That's a lot for someone to comment on, maybe just pick bits that you get stuck on as you go through the project. Sounds like it will be fun.

Good luck
 
I am doing a grad student portfolio on six songs that I self produced, These are the main questions about my own recording process that I will be writing about, any insights?

How could we have insight into your recording process?
 
hi there, sorry if there was some confusion about what I am looking for here. I was just hoping that some of you who are self producing have had similar challenges that you've come across in your own work and might share some of your own personal methods. I don't feel like much has been written about the process, even though there are a sizable number of people working this way. its one thing to write about my own methods that I have developed working by myself, it would be much nicer if there was some corroborating qualitative data as well.
 
well if its just a questionairre, I'll fill one out for short answers, why not? but I'd rather not go into too much detail otherwise I'd be writing a novel.

Q:Why self produce?
because I'm a control freak and I don't like paying for studio time what I can do with my own stuff on my own time

Q: Is self production commercially viable?
i haven't seen it, but i think its more of a 'demo' thing anyway used to get other musicians for live shows or to offer someone who wants to pay for a major recording project to have it re-done pro if they want it.

Q: Why not self produce?
because its limiting having to keep my head straight doing everything by myself in my limited space with my limited gear and only 2 hands. It is nice to have someone else worry about all the audio matters and I just show up and play. This has been my experience working for studio projects and it is much easier to think straight when only thinking about the one thing you have to do

Would it be preferable to work in a studio with other producers and engineers than self produce?
not for the creation process of getting ideas down (which i prefer isolation for), but for the actual tracking and mixing, yes.

Q: Would it be helpful to have recorded in a studio with a producer first?
define 'producer'? as far as i can tell the engineer is the only one it is nice to work with. a producer is a guy who knows what 'sound' he is looking for and putting together the pieces to make that sound by using everyone else involved. Many producers are also engineers or performers, and many performers are all of the above. Someone who's only job is the "producer" is kind of suspect of riding everyone else's talent in my opinion.

Q: Overcoming technical and/or musical limitations?
I don't feel that I have any musical limitations because I play what I play the way I play it and want it played. I don't need to know how to play like Steve Vai or whatever, because my music doesn't need it, that's HIS sctick. As long as you are proficient enough with what you are playing to play what you want things to sound like you aren't limited.

This is two questions as they are very different. Technical limitations like shoddy gear, mediocre (at best) mics, and so on will always be a problem as technology continues to advance to 'dumb down' the recording process into accessibility. There's always something new and shiney to make your life easier that you don't have. But I overcome it by using what I've got for what its good at. A good piece of music or a a good song lyric will still be good even if its played on a crusty old guitar in a train tunnel for accoustics.


Q:Balancing time between technical tasks and music making?
dichotomy is unnecessary... when i'm recording they are all done simultaneously. music making is part of the technical task and vice versa.

Q:Remaining objective about the quality of the recordings?
that i cannot do. I play it for virgin ears on a variety of stereo systems to different people in different places. If they like it its good. But someone else will tell me long before I notice it if the guitars are too shrill or the drums are too bangy or whatever laymans terms they use.

Q: Judging when the work is finished?
so many times i scrap and start over again as i learn something halfway through that i want to do differently. its finished when i get all the way through without wanting to start over

Q: Staying motivated, creating goals?
not really sure what 'goals' to create. if i want to work on a song i work on it. one of the happy things is i'm not on a schedule as i have nobody else to answer to. some days i have hammered through 3 songs start to finish, other times it takes a week or two just messing around with one piece before i get distracted and start something else.

Q: Making money with self produced projects?
i prefer not to sell it. i've used demos to get gigs and the gigs make money - but trying to sell anything in the age of MP3 trading is just like asking people to do you a favor because everyone knows they could find a download if they wanted to anyway.
 
thanks captain ego. i was not expecting long detailed responses. your answers are perfect. just the kind of insight into what people are thinking about their own recording process. thank you!
 
If you are writing about your "own recording process" how the hell is anybody here supposed to have any insight into that?

As far as "corroborating qualitative data" goes, again, since nobody here has the first clue as to your "recording process" or the resultant quality thereof it's impossible to "qualitatively corroborate" anything you are doing.

I still think you are just trolling for somebody to do your homework for you.

If this is grad-school level work you are getting screwed bigtime by the university. My wife just completed her Masters in Family Practice Nursing and I can guarantee you not a single one of her projects was based on random sampling about such a shoddy premise as you have proposed obtained from a BBS.
 
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Why self produce? - Because you can
Is self production commercially viable? - Yes/No
Why not self produce? - Lack of skills
Would it be preferable to work in a studio with other producers and engineers than self produce? - Sometimes
Would it be helpful to have recorded in a studio with a producer first? - Sometimes
Overcoming technical and/or musical limitations? - Experience
Balancing time between technical tasks and music making? - It's all a blur
Remaining objective about the quality of the recordings? - Rare when self-produced
Judging when the work is finished? - Difficult when self-produced
Staying motivated, creating goals? - Difficult when self-produced
Making money with self produced projects? - Sometimes/rarely

I kept it short for you....
 
Nevermind c7. He's cranky sometimes. There are better research methods, but random questinaires are valid given the right circumstances. I am a graduate student and I use random questionnaires at times. You just need to note the limitations of you research methods and make suggestions for future improvements.

Ok, major advantages: cost of studio time, creative control, can get ideas down anytime and work out parts, satisfaction of doing it yourself, it's fun, and you can do it any time you want.

Major disadvantages: cost of equipment and gear, only one set of biased ears, learning curve, poor recording rooms, mediocre equipment compared to big studios.

I'm sure there is more but this is my list off the top of my head.
 
of course i do not expect anyone to be able to write about my process, that is silly. what i am looking for is various points of view about some of the issues i am writing about to include in the written documentation for a portfolio project. most of the academic writing on recording is focused mainly around technical issues (mic design, speaker placement.. etc.) so other than a few interviews with some of the bigger names producing their own work, most people self producing in their own home studios are not on record discussing these issues.

i think its an under reported part of the music industry, and not taken very seriously either. from an educational standpoint, does it make sense to keep training students for traditional studio jobs when those jobs might be transforming into something else?
 
...does it make sense to keep training students for traditional studio jobs when those jobs might be transforming into something else?

It does to the schools....they need the business.
 
Satumma, accept that communication isn't your core skill, and that English is possibly your third language.
 
I think we've all been able to understand him pretty well. He seems to have a good grasp on the usage of English. I'll bet it's his first language.

People can be pretty rude when they're hidding behind their keyboards

With respect to schools. I think they have their place , but with all of the resources on the Internet and lowering cost of gear, a lot can be self taught. Of course school will have good equipment and knowledgeable instructors to help accelerate the process.
 
Of course school will have good equipment and knowledgeable instructors to help accelerate the process.

I don't think that's the question/concern...rather it's more about what you get once you leave school.
IOW, does it really translate into a well paying job...?

With the growing number of audio/recording schools and colleges/universities that added audio/recording degrees to their curriculum...
...I think there are WAY more graduates than jobs!!!

Sure....you might land a corporate gig mixing/recording audio at conferences and seminars...but is that what you expect when you go to one of those recording schools???
 
I don't think that's the question/concern...rather it's more about what you get once you leave school.
IOW, does it really translate into a well paying job...?

With the growing number of audio/recording schools and colleges/universities that added audio/recording degrees to their curriculum...
...I think there are WAY more graduates than jobs!!!

Sure....you might land a corporate gig mixing/recording audio at conferences and seminars...but is that what you expect when you go to one of those recording schools???

True. I think you can learn a ton on your own, but going to school will be a huge help. As far as getting jobs later on, I think you're right.
 
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