SE2200 vs SP B1 please don't hurt me

[kid klash]

i'm just trying to blag, i'm thousands in debt cos of uni so can you blame me?

Hey - not at all - been there. I'm slowly adding to my collection of mic preamps, so I know what you mean.

Sorry if you read me a bit strong, but they truely are nice mics. Up until a little over a year ago, I thought of Shure's SM-57 as the go-to mic for live and studio recording for a lot of different sources. It's been around for what... thirty years now or better? It's a great mic, at a great price ($80). Well now, it's got a friend on the large diaphragm condenser side - the Studio Projects B1 - and it's become the go-to mic on the condenser side for so many different sources... and with great results, for only $80 also.

Anyway, good luck checking out mics, and let us know what you decide to do.

Best regards,
Kid

 

[alanhyatt]

are you just there on the 10th or for the whole thing? they're only letting students in on the 12th but i could exaggerate my part-time work as a music teacher to get in on another day.....?

I am there the whole time! See you there.. Looking forward to a pint!

 

[DJL]

Oh, I'm sorry - I guess I'm on the wrong bbs - I thought this place was for amateurs like me.

Why are you sorry? Why do you think your on the wrong bbs? Now who do you think this place is for?

 

[freshmattyp]

Meaning... more sold in the USA than Europe... and meaning the cheap made budget mics and etc are targeted at kids with little money rather than pro recording studios and etc.

Here's some more food for thought...
I bought a V67G and VTB-1 and they both dropped in value in a matter of months after buying them... whereas for example, my SM81's are still worth what I paid for them years ago, or worth even more now.

I hardly think that everyone here is a kid with very little money. Some of us are pushing 40 and beyond, but have other priorities to spend money on. Companies like Marshall and SP have been a godsend to people like me. I can get semi-pro results for budget dollars.

 

[mrface2112]

i have to agree with mattyboy here.......until just recently (the last couple years), recording was never a priority for me. now, it is. companies like MXL and SP (and symetrix and rane and maudio) have allowed me to make somewhat decent recordings at quite frankly, a frightningly small amount of money.

let's keep this in focus--i have invested roughly what i could've spent in a couple weekends in a friend's project studio at $35/hour, and now have enough gear that i can make relatively comparable recordings, and i can do it whenever i want. AND i have control over the mix. AND i've learned an immense amount in the process......instead of just showing up and plugging in.

5-10-15 years ago, that was NOT the case.......i was faced with "go to the studio" or "suffer the portastudio". i'm glad i don't have to do either of those now. certainly i strive to have the lawsons and avalons and a 32track ghost sitting in my room. one day i will. but until that day comes, i'm thankful that there's "cheap chinese crap" out there that's at least got me recording.

and at least i understand (and more importantly, can HEAR) why the more expensive gear is more expensive. that's why it's a constant upgrade process.


wade

 

[CanopuS]

I'm a shameful 15 years old (cue plummeting reputation - what, I never had one?) so the SP mics are pretty handy, but if I did have more money then I'd probably go with higher products.

 

[chessrock]

I may be sensitive about your posts Chessrock, but at the same time, I do not think I am mistaken about them. So, why not say your sorry to me now for those remarks, and maybe we can move forward from there and try and find a more common ground for 2004.

Hey, I originally learned about the whole Ted Fletcher thing from none other than yourself -- on an open public forum, no less. If you don't want someone's commentary, then don't air your dirty laundry in public. Just a suggestion. And speaking of suggestions, I think the main problem you and I have is that you take my critiques and suggestions as attacks. Don't. I may say things in a harsh manner, but think of it as tough love, and you might start seeing them in a different light.

 

[ausrock]

QUOTE..............." you take my critiques and suggestions as attacks"

Quite seriously Chess, he's not the only one...........so maybe the problem is with the manner in which you word your gems of wisdom.

 

[chessrock]

so maybe the problem is with the manner in which you word your gems of wisdom.

If you don't like the way someone words something on a BBS like this, then tough. Live with it or get off. It's a dog-eat-dog whatever out there. The biggest problem my parent's generation has with mine is that we don't show enough consideration when we word things to one another. And a major beef guys in my generation have with theirs is that they're often far too concerned with being politically correct about how something is said . . . rather than focusing on what is actually said.

It's a tough world out there. Deal with it, because you're going to faced with much bigger assholes than me on a daily basis. Some more words of wisdom for ya, there, Aus.

Another tidbit: The smiley is your friend. Learn the smiley . . . understand the smiley . . . BE the smiley. Na, on second thought, F&%K the damn smiley!

 

[ausrock]

An interesting philosophy you have.........flawed, but interesting none the less.

 

[chessrock]

An interesting philosophy you have.........flawed, but interesting none the less.

You're probably a baby-boomer. It's kind of like the whole "men from mars -- women from venus thing." We just have different ways of communicating.

Remember, Aus: BE the smiley.

 

[johneeeveee]

drag...

If you don't like the way someone words something on a BBS like this, then tough. Live with it or get off. It's a dog-eat-dog whatever out there. The biggest problem my parent's generation has with mine is that we don't show enough consideration when we word things to one another. And a major beef guys in my generation have with theirs is that they're often far too concerned with being politically correct about how something is said . . . rather than focusing on what is actually said.

It's a tough world out there. Deal with it, because you're going to faced with much bigger assholes than me on a daily basis. Some more words of wisdom for ya, there, Aus.

... to be honest, i personally think opinions carry less weight when they are presented with less courtesy. it actually tends to cloud the point with a vibe of defensiveness or pompousness. political correctness has nothing to do with common courtesy. you can say anything you want without the attitude, and people will probably be more likely to really listen to what you are saying, without all that other crap getting in the way.
the philosophy that folks should deal with rudeness because there are always bigger assholes out there has led to huge problems in this world... and the funny thing is, that most of these assholes who live by this creed, are also the first ones to raise hell if someone is impolite to them.
peace - jv

 

[chessrock]

Re: drag...

... to be honest, i personally think opinions carry less weight when they are presented with less courtesy. it actually tends to cloud the point with a vibe of defensiveness or pompousness. political correctness has nothing to do with common courtesy. you can say anything you want without the attitude, and people will probably be more likely to really listen to what you are saying, without all that other crap getting in the way.

Thanks for the constuctive advice, John. I'll take them as such, rather than assuming them to be an attack.

But whether or not a person's words carry greater weight or command respect . . . I guess my intended point is that it's no fun to go around with your guard up all the time. There are a lot of assholes out there, and whether or not it's right or wrong, you have to remember the good advice your parents gave you when they said: "Sticks and stones may break your bones."

 

[crazydoc]

The biggest problem my parent's generation has with mine is that we don't show enough consideration when we word things to one another. And a major beef guys in my generation have with theirs is that they're often far too concerned with being politically correct about how something is said . . . rather than focusing on what is actually said.

Gee Chess, wrong again. As someone from your parents' generation I'm probably thought of as a relatively inconsiderate asshole around here. The problem we (and not just my generation) have is that usually there's not much being actually said.

Maybe folks don't pay attention to people like Harvey, Alan, littledog, marik, and some others around here because they are relatively polite when they post. Maybe it's because they actually know something from experience and aren't just spouting opinions out of an inflated sense of self worth.

 

[chessrock]

Crazydoc,

I appreciate what you're saying. It's absolutely correct. But you're kinda' missing the point of what I was saying . . . or perhaps I didn't word it correctly. But I am, in fact, right now, watching a perfect example of what I said, because I think you might be concentrating a lot on how I said what it is I said. Perhaps.

 

[johneeeveee]

Re: Re: drag...

Thanks for the constuctive advice, John. I'll take them as such, rather than assuming them to be an attack.

But whether or not a person's words carry greater weight or command respect . . . I guess my intended point is that it's no fun to go around with your guard up all the time. There are a lot of assholes out there, and whether or not it's right or wrong, you have to remember the good advice your parents gave you when they said: "Sticks and stones may break your bones."

... no disrespect intended. just my 2 cents. you seem like an ok guy to me, and not much of an asshole at all. maybe a little condescending at times, but someone who knows quite a bit about gear, and whose input i appreciate around here.
peace - jv

 

[mrface2112]

don't y'all have music to record or mix or something?


(i don't)


<rodney king>
can't we all just get along?
</rodney king>


wade

 

[johneeeveee]

Maybe folks don't pay attention to people like Harvey, Alan, littledog, marik, and some others around here because they are relatively polite when they post. Maybe it's because they actually know something from experience and aren't just spouting opinions out of an inflated sense of self worth.

...that's the very reason i tend to listen to those guys. in my experience, the guys who really know what's going on, are the one's who are often the most soft spoken. they've got nothing to prove or rant about. by stating something confidently, but politely, there is nothing to distract from the point.
please and thank you have helped get me far in this business, and it helps set a precedence that is a bit contagious.
analogy: if you let someone in, in front of you in a traffic jam, they are more likely to do the same for someone else. these simple jestures are bigger than we think, and just make the days a little easier to deal with.
oh yeah, i would buy a sp b1 if it were my money... for a cheap mic, it is hard to beat.
peace - jv

 

[crazydoc]

Crazydoc,

I appreciate what you're saying. It's absolutely correct. But you're kinda' missing the point of what I was saying . . . or perhaps I didn't word it correctly. But I am, in fact, right now, watching a perfect example of what I said, because I think you might be concentrating a lot on how I said what it is I said. Perhaps.

Part of the problem is, because of the way you said it, and so many ways you said it, it's difficult to figure out what you actually said. The take home lesson for me was
"If you don't like the way someone words something on a BBS like this, then tough. Live with it or get off."

If that's it, then I agree. With the understanding that if you say it like an asshole, then you'll be considered an asshole (by people from your parents' - or in my case maybe your grandparents' - generation.)

 

[DJL]

Yawn... I think you need cheese to go with your wine.