Schoeps on guitar

[busyboy]

Tim[/QUOTE]

I've got a similar situation room-wise. My best recording room is a joined liv/din room with high peaked ceilings at different hts, with a lot of irregularities in the walls' surfaces for diffusion. And it's open at one end to a high entryway that adds a distant reverb depending on where the mic's are.

Yeah, that's kinda describes my "tracking room" too. When I'm recording out there, I control my DAW (Digi001) with an iBook that has an airport card in it- I can see and manipulate the desktop of my G4 using OSXVNC.

And the U87... man, that's a different mic, huh? I used one in a flamenco session at another studio last month and loved it - through an Avalon tube pre. Totally different sound than the Schoeps - more "in your face bigger than life" - and in a good way. Well, it just fueled my gear lust.

Well, yeah. I'm very fortunate in that my dad (the engineer) has left much of his mic collection in my care. I have the Scheopps with the cardiod & omni capsules. I mostly use the omnis. I also have two U-87s that I like a lot. I mostly use them on vocalists. The switchable pattern is a great tool. Again, I mostly use the omni setting. It really opens up the mic, making it more natural sounding. But if you have a thin- sounding vocalist that cardiod adds some bottom. You can use the proximity effect to your advantage.

Ramirez... nice. Which model and year do you have? Many are very good recording guitars with a lush tone, IMO.

Ramirez... nice. Which model and year do you have? Many are very good recording guitars with a lush tone, IMO.

I have an R3CWE made in 2000. It's the cutaway electric version. I play a lot of pop and jazz. This guitar is perfect for that. My wife and I got lost in Madrid and I ended up coming across what I can only describe as the Jose Ramirez factory outlet. She went shoe shopping while I played gazillions of guitars- all with (to me) imperceptible blemishes. The R3 the one that the boys there felt suited me the most. Anyway, this was before the Euro. The dollar was really strong and I got this guitar for about the price of a decent Korean guitar. It sounds really nice in front of a mic and not too bad plugged in. I only plug in for live gigs though

BTW I love both clips. If your clients aren't thrilled with what your doing than they need to find another line of work. There's a funny psycho-acoustic thing going on with the cello clip. The guitars sound so natural and present that it takes a couple of listens before you realize that the cello isn't. Philip Glass used to use that phenomenon to his advantage.

Keep up the good work. Now I'll have to start hanging out in the MP3 section to hear what your up to.

 

[garf]

Great clip, I wish we had more samples like this.

I have a stupid question (HSQ), when I played the clip it came up in a window with a play bar, and commenced playing. Othertimes clips will come in in the ITunes player. Is this determined soley on my end, or is this determined by how the file is uploaded? (Wondering because I would like to put some clips of the harp up in the near future)

 

[Dan Micah]

Hi Dan, I had a pair of the Peluso CEMC6 mics, but they were a bad / noisy set, so I sent them back. They did sound great, but I would not put them in the same class as schoepps mics. The Pelusos sounded stunning, but I could not get past the noise. Peluso said they were in the process of correcting the problem, but I have not heard anything about it yet. Instead, I picked up the 2247 for vocals, which I am really happy with.

Thanks Rick,
I remember reading great things about the Pelusos a while ago, then nothing. So, probably the noise issue hasn't been resolved. I'll keep saving for one (or 2) of those schoepps! They sound stunning.

Dan

 

[Rick Shepherd]

I agree, Peluso kindof shot themselves in the foot with the problems they were having.

 

[XLR]

Busyboy said:

I have the Scheopps with the cardiod & omni capsules… I also have two U-87s that I like a lot.

I'm envious: omni caps are definitely my next buy. My only tracking with the U87 (w/Avalon tube pre) was a recent Zambra. The mic was was in cardioid mode... quite a contrasting sound with that combination. And since we’re talking Schoeps, FWIW here’s a longer clip of the supercard in this improvised duet. A little too much verb on it but I think it shows the nature of the mic.

There's a funny psycho-acoustic thing going on with the cello clip…. Philip Glass used to use that phenomenon to his advantage.

Well it’s an honor to be mentioned in the same paragraph with Philip Glass. Thanks.

And as far as the mp3 forum, yeah there’s a lot of very interesting music that’s been going through there, and some excellent ears for noticing detail and suggesting production ideas that cross the usual stylistic fences.

Garf said:

when I played the clip it came up in a window with a play bar, and commenced playing. Othertimes clips will come in in the ITunes player. Is this determined soley on my end, or is this determined by how the file is uploaded?

To the best of my knowledge it’s determined entirely by the settings of the machine on the receiving end, and which app opens it depends on the file-type associations you’ve set.

I wish we had more samples like this

Thanks garf. Personally, I like hearing mic samples for comparison even though it’s all very unscientific. IMO, it helps in getting at least a partial feel for what a mic’s like. I know that there are others who think mp3 samples are more misleading than helpful and I can understand that stance. Of course, there's no substitute for actually trying mic's out one's self.

Tim

 

[Sage97]

Very nice Tim.

 

[busyboy]

Timothy,

After you mentioned that you'd been haunting the MP3 clinic, I went there and found both Zambra clips. I really liked both of them. I could heap well-deserved compliments on you (& Tonio), but I think the other guys more or less covered that.

After reapeated listenings, I have the following off-topic question; how do you keep your nails in shape? You produce such great tone. My nails get chewed up playing steel strings and flatpicking too (the middle finger nail gets worn down in a wierd way). I also break them playing piano. I have used acrylics (press-ons) in the past, but it creeps out my wife Any ideas?

I'm going away for a couple of weeks, but when I get back I'll post a piece I recorded using two crown PZM's and a Scheopps omni. It sounds wierdly huge.

 

[XLR]

busyboy said:

I'll post a piece I recorded using two crown PZM's and a Scheopps omni. It sounds wierdly huge.

Looking forward to it. Related to that, another thing I like about the Schoeps is that - because they're so detailed - sometimes when I use another mic for a particular color, adding in a little of the Schoeps clarifies the tone. The M160 ribbon, for instance combines really nicely with a single Schoeps placed together to make "dual mic mono", or with a stereo pair. Thanks for the kind comments about the other tunes. I'll PM you about the nails question.

Sage97, thanks for checking it out.

Tim