Schoeps on guitar

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This is a short clip of a Schoeps cmc6 mk41 on classical guitar... with two guitars backing at a low level - a nylon and a steel string. All were tracked with the same mic and position - 3 ft from the bridge, on axis. Passage written by Al Cochrane for a song intro.

Tim
 
I've got 2 Shoeps CMC6 bodies with Mk21 capsules, they are probably the best mics I've ever heard. Out of interest what pre-amps were used for the sample recording?
 
TornadoTed said:
I've got 2 Shoeps CMC6 bodies with Mk21 capsules, they are probably the best mics I've ever heard. Out of interest what pre-amps were used for the sample recording?
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Great River MP2H into a Lucid converter. But they sound pretty good through most pre's I've got, even my Mackies.

I like the supercard pattern on the MK41 - good for small room use (well, big rooms too), but I'd like to have a pair of the omni capsules also... I really should take advantage of the interchangeable capsule feature of the mics.

Al said:
Don't know much about mics.... but I like it!
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Speak of the devil! Hey Al. Thought I'd put this up here just for fun, hope you don't mind me distributing your music without a mechanical license. :D

Tim
 
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THose are great sounding mics Timothy, wow, can't wait to get some of my own!
 
Here's a link to a .mp3 of a recording I recently did using a pair of Schoeps CMC6/MK4 mics in XY placement:

 
sdelsolray said:
Here's a link to a .mp3 of a recording I recently did using a pair of Schoeps CMC6/MK4 mics in XY placement:

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Very nice. What compressor was on that? Sounds like an RNC on supernice mode.

Tim
 
What kind of guitars... What kind of room?

What kind of guitars were played during the passage? What kind of room were the guitars recorded in?
 
Tim,

Here's the signal chain:

Guitar: David Webber Roundbody, EI Rosewood/cedar; Elixir Nanoweb light guage strings.
Mics: Schoeps XY
Pre: Pendulum Audio MDP-1a
Converters: RME ADI 8 Pro
DAW: Digi001, PTLE 6.4; Recorded at 24 bit/44.1k
Mix/Master: Panned 67% left and right; Waves C4 multiband compressor, Altiverb reverb, Waves SI and Waves L1+ on the 2-buss; Bounce to disk as a 16 bit 320k .mp3.
 
both excellent

this is furthering my personal price/performance theory

crap-crap
better-improvement in hi's (possibly in mids)
better yet-improvement in quality of low mids/lows

that's how it seems to go any way.

i guess it seems like you buy a mic from the top down.
 
NorthSideRap said:
What kind of guitars were played during the passage? What kind of room were the guitars recorded in?
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Ahhhhhh… the things that really matter. :)
Fred Clarke guitar – sitka spruce/Indian ros was the main guitar and also did the left side backing arpeggio. The steel string gtr doing the backing on the right side was a small body Takamine F312S strung with extra light strings starting with a .010”.

The room is 16'x12'x11', peaked ceiling. It’s my monitoring room and I don’t usually record there (have a better room) but I track there for the occasional multitracking I do – just out of practicality since I’m turning the knobs while playing. For this I was playing to an existing scratch synth cello part the writer provided, to try to anticipate the feel of the end result.

To minimize high freq reflection problems that this room has with guitar I used gobos positioned on each side of the mic, about a foot away, with their Auralex foam sides facing the mic and not quite parallel with each other. Another gobo was 2 ft back from the rear of the mic as it has a rear lobe. No EQ or reverb. What sounds like reverb in a couple spots is just a slow left hand vibrato. I used a touch of Waves linear multiband comp with a dB or two of peak gain reduction in the under 200 Hz range, and 200-800 Hz range. Oh, and FWIW I rechecked the mic distance and it was 2 ft, not 3 as I first said.

Giraffe said:
both excellent…this is furthering my personal price/performance theory
crap-crap
better-improvement in hi's (possibly in mids)
better yet-improvement in quality of low mids/lows
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Thanks giraffe. The thing I like most about the Schoeps is that they tend to sound good wherever you put them and whatever direction they’re pointing. Nothing seems to sound bad, it just sounds different. Very much unlike many mic’s where there is such a limited sweet spot zone. At least that’s my experience with the MK41’s.

Tim
 
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Timothy

Good to see you posting again. I have to second what you said about the scheopps. They're just really clean, transparent mics. The only mic pres I have are in my Mackie 1604 ("classic", not VLZ). The only converters I have are in my Digi001, but my Jose Ramirez or my old Guild end up sounding just like my Jose Ramirez or my old Guild when I sit down in front of these mics- especially if I'm tracking in my living room/dining area (which is a little more live).

This week I've been recording a Irish Pennywhistler who is making an instructional CD. He'd brought his own U-87. I had my Schoepps up for the guitar accompaniment. When he heard himself through those, well, the 87 stayed in it's case.

Can't wait to get to my computer with good speakers to hear the clip. You always produce such nice stuff. :)
 
Hi,

Has anyone compared these sdc with the Peluso CEMC6 for acoustic instruments? I remember people raving about the pelusos a while ago.

Cheers,

Dan
 
busyboy said:
Good to see you posting again. I have to second what you said about the scheopps. ...my Jose Ramirez or my old Guild end up sounding just like my Jose Ramirez or my old Guild when I sit down in front of these mics- especially if I'm tracking in my living room/dining area (which is a little more live)... Can't wait to get to my computer with good speakers to hear the clip. You always produce such nice stuff. :)
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Thanks busyboy, good to talk to you again. I remember the story you told about your dad the engineer - mic's vs room quality. I've been hanging out mostly in the mp3 forum when I'm here, so it only seems like I disappeared.

I've got a similar situation room-wise. My best recording room is a joined liv/din room with high peaked ceilings at different hts, with a lot of irregularities in the walls' surfaces for diffusion. And it's open at one end to a high entryway that adds a distant reverb depending on where the mic's are.

And the U87... man, that's a different mic, huh? I used one in a flamenco session at another studio last month and loved it - through an Avalon tube pre. Totally different sound than the Schoeps - more "in your face bigger than life" - and in a good way. Well, it just fueled my gear lust.

Ramirez... nice. Which model and year do you have? Many are very good recording guitars with a lush tone, IMO.

EDIT: FWIW, here's the clip with the cello track underneath. It's just a scratch track using a synth that'll be replaced with real cello but it gives the sense of the overall effect. It's for a Scottish band that does folk oriented originals.

Tim
 
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Hi Dan, I had a pair of the Peluso CEMC6 mics, but they were a bad / noisy set, so I sent them back. They did sound great, but I would not put them in the same class as schoepps mics. The Pelusos sounded stunning, but I could not get past the noise. Peluso said they were in the process of correcting the problem, but I have not heard anything about it yet. Instead, I picked up the 2247 for vocals, which I am really happy with.
 
sdelsolray said:
Tim,

Here's the signal chain:

Guitar: David Webber Roundbody, EI Rosewood/cedar; Elixir Nanoweb light guage strings.
Mics: Schoeps XY
Pre: Pendulum Audio MDP-1a
Converters: RME ADI 8 Pro
DAW: Digi001, PTLE 6.4; Recorded at 24 bit/44.1k
Mix/Master: Panned 67% left and right; Waves C4 multiband compressor, Altiverb reverb, Waves SI and Waves L1+ on the 2-buss; Bounce to disk as a 16 bit 320k .mp3.
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Very nice setup and a good sounding tune.

Tim
 
Thanks Tim. That Webber is a very nice instrument. Unfortunately, I've only had it for a short time and I'm not used to it. I overplayed the tune dynamically on the recording, causing some wolf notes here and there. A lighter touch next time.
 
TornadoTed said:
I've got 2 Shoeps CMC6 bodies with Mk21 capsules, they are probably the best mics I've ever heard.
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Pretty much the same experience here (for currently made models anyway) for a general purpose small diaphragm. The MK4 cardiod capsule is just as good, just more unidirectional and not quite as extended in the lows as the omnis or sub cardiod models.
 
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