Saving .BUN files instead of Projects

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> You could just get a copy of Cakewalk Audio Finder (CWAF), which will tell you which wave files are associated with which projects. It's available for downloading from the CW web site. <

Where on the site? I couldn't find it. That would be a very useful utility to have!
 
> Here, second link in the list of downloads:

Got it. Thanks!
 
Sorry to freshen up this debate again but.......

I am currently backing up my system. :(

Under cakewalk, Audio files, there are 116 wav files amounting to 3.2 Gig. They are in alphabetical order using the arcane c/w random wav numbering system and spread accross many dates.

Point is, how should I save them to CD-r? By date, (this is the most logical, by default, it would bundle multiple WAV files together, on the day when they were recorded/saved) or just the max capacity of the CD-R (700meg), .....or is there any other suggestion? I estimate 12 disks will be needed to save the data by date order, 5/6 if I ignore the dates and use the max capacity of my disks (could make life difficult later on to locate missing wav files accross several disks)

Can I also save my Cakewalk files directly to CD-R as data files ?(I think this is possible).

Your advice please, ladies and gentlemen
 
i personally think since cakewalk made the interface more "Acid" like they shoud of made the saving more acid like a folder for waves for each project

CWAF sounds interesting i'ma have to check it out
 
for backing up files larger than 650mb, try this software called zipsplitter, i divides files and creates self-extracting ones. only 200k to download or something like that. it's shareware.

adriano
 
Cheers Adriano, that sounds just the ticket. Have you got a link for it?
 
<Under cakewalk, Audio files, there are 116 wav files amounting to 3.2 Gig. They are in alphabetical order using the arcane c/w random wav numbering system and spread accross many dates.

Point is, how should I save them to CD-r? By date, (this is the most logical, by default, it would bundle multiple WAV files together, on the day when they were recorded/saved) or just the max capacity of the CD-R (700meg), .....>

My way of dealing with this whole issue is to ignore the file names...
Each artist or project gets a folder on the data drive. Each song gets it's own sub-folder under the artist's folder.
Point Tools to the song folder, and load the song. All the wrk~ files or whatever are always in one neat location, ready to be boxed of tucked away on the back-up drive or cdrs. Same with the bun files.
"2-track master" projects and the master waves get treated similarly on their own partion, but that's just 'cause it breaks it down further for my poor head!
Sometimes I rename the bun or work files to include the 'new' date as the song progresses and the bun gets written over.
I had to do this. Having all that data jumbled together was too frigin' freaky. Doing a 'disk clean' still scares me! :)
 
So if I understand you correctly, you do a "save as......" under name of artist, name of track/song the first time you save the piece of work and then subsequently, any updates to that track get saved into that sub-folder?

I now do the same, but I often have three files for the same song, a .bun file, a .mp3 file and a .wav file. The latter two are for the finished work. But archiving these files is simple, it is done by dag and drop to my CDR.

In the past, before I got into trouble with lost files (thank you 12 tones for CWAF!), I used to only save work as a .wrk file instead of as a .bun file. Consequently, I now have 115 .wrk files stored in cakewalk\audio files. It is those files that I am looking to archive right now. So my question is, whats the best way of approaching the problem? I think it is by date order, it seems logical to me. There really doesn't seem to be any other viable alternative.

Is it possible then to "save as..." direct to a CDR, from Cakewalk, for archiving when you have finalised your mix and want to keep all the working .bun wav's under the title of the work? And could it save .wrk's in the same way? I know that loading into Sonar would be painfully slow to use CDR's for anything like working files, but for archiving it would be fine.

I realise the CDR would be formated for data recording rather than audio but using software like CD Direct it should be possible shouldn't it?
 
<So if I understand you correctly, you do a "save as......" under name of artist, name of track/song the first time you save the piece of work and then subsequently, any updates to that track get saved into that sub-folder? >

The 'wrk.' or the 'bun' can be renamed and/or date-stamped to show the work in progress, but the data folders are created as a filing system befor the songs get started. A lot of times I just start with an 'artist' folder and a bunch of sub folders named #1---#8, then maybe a 'template' setup for the project and a bunch of 'save as' wrk' files named #1---#8. This gets me rolling if there's going to be a bunch of songs done and I don't even know the names yet. Later the wrk's, folders and buns can be named 'properly'... (geez, this is starting to sounds anal.)

< Consequently, I now have 115 .wrk files stored in cakewalk\audio files. It is those files that I am looking to archive right now. So my question is, whats the best way of approaching the problem? I think it is by date order, it seems logical to me. There really doesn't seem to be any other viable alternative.>

If I follow, the issue is connecting the wrks' to the data, so that the b/u is relevant, right?
I think you could use the 'finder' routine to relate the data files to the old projects, then put them together in new folders or cdrs, and/or make buns of them.
Every once in a while I make a b/u of all my wrk' files that gather in the main cake directory (being paranoid again), but of course ther're useless without the correct path to the data files, which is where I got into trouble early on.

There could be simpler methods of house keeping, but by the time you get to 'it's time to do clean up, and get rid of the old stuff' and there's so many versions floating around...the delete key gets a little intimidating...
...Anybody else? :)
Peace
 
<Is it possible then to "save as..." direct to a CDR, from Cakewalk, for archiving when you have finalised your mix and want to keep all the working .bun wav's under the title of the work? And could it save .wrk's in the same way? I know that loading into Sonar would be painfully slow to use CDR's for anything like working files, but for archiving it would be fine.

I realise the CDR would be formated for data recording rather than audio but using software like CD Direct it should be possible shouldn't it?>

I guess you could 'save as bun' and point it at your cdr. This might be the same as draging it over from a copy in explorer.
Actually that sound like it might be a rather elegant solution!
If you do it as a wrk', then you'd have to grab the data files in a seperate move I guess.
wayne
 
Wayne, thanks for the in depth depth, it wasn't anal ....although the subject is!!!!

Anyhow, I understand how you organise things, it sounds a good system.

What I will do for the 115 stupidly named cakewalk wrk files is to use cwaf to find/organise them into songs and then save direct to CDR.

And in future, I will always save my work as .bun files. and then save direct to CDR or drag n drop in explorer.

(God you are right, this is anal:rolleyes: )

Anyway, thanks for the help. Much appreciated.
 
yes, that SUCKS!!!

RWhite said:
I agree; a bigger problem in my opinion is that the file nameing system they use make it almost impossible to figure out which wavee file goes with which project.
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I am just now running into that...I was working exclusively MIDI when I first started and now that I am learning and using more audio it's a hassle.

I am now at the point where I need to archive old and finished projects...but I didn't want to get rid of the 'goodies' so I was going to burn them all to disk. The .bun thing seems worth it. Thanks for the info.
 
It is amazing how much time one can spend not making music.

I hate that.



A1MixMan
 
A1MixMan posted:

It is amazing how much time one can spend not making music.
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I rekon its 99% learning/faultfinding/setting up...... and 1% music.

But its fun!:rolleyes:
 
I AGREE!!!

Paul881 said:
A1MixMan posted:





I rekon its 99% learning/faultfinding/setting up...... and 1% music.

But its fun!:rolleyes:
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Well said!!! I've also noticed the more I learn about the technical aspect of making music, the better my songwriting and playing get, due to the fact that I KNOW what I have to work with and can tailor my creation to fit my abilities...well, in my case disabilities...but looking at the posts and questions from my 'newbie' days till now. You can REALLY see a learning curve and progression and listening to those first few attempts is even more amusing. And well worth the 99% it took.
 
At the risk of going into a group hug of self congratulation, I too agree with everything you say mshea.

My song writing and musicianship have developed in leaps and bounds since starting out on my "quest". I think Maslow called it the "achievement of self actualisation" in his (in)famous "hierarchy of needs" behavioural theory.

Anyhow, I don't care what its called, I have had so much fun and enjoyment, the learning is part of the fun. Who was it that said to travel is better than to arrive?:D
 
CAUTION: splitting files

I just wanted to post a little cautionary tale about using these utilities for splitting large audio files (ie: filesplitter, zipsplitter, et al) which is this...

I once used an app once I got from download.com (can't remember the name offhand) to split a large wav file that I couldn't fit on a zip disk...and split it onto 2 disks.
Well, much to my horrah, when I used the app to rejoin the split files back together on another machine, I could see/hear a *faint* (but noticeable) pop/clip where it was split. :eek:
It worked fine for my data files...but when it came to some music/sound files, it can and does happen.

I'm just saying: be careful what you use and double check your rejoined files (perhaps smart to do a "test" file).

I've not used zipsplitter--but I have recently used Winsplit (www.download.com), and so far seems to work without any unwanted anomolies. *(see disclaimer)

Just thought I'd pitch in $0.02 worth of experience...

UB

*Disclaimer: "UtahBites" makes no claim or guarantee that your results will be the same, and as such, takes no responsibility for files written/augmented with the "winsplit" program, and thus is not liable for any adverse effects said program may or may not have.
See your doctor; Results may vary.
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