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Molly
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Buddy holly is the best country player lol Or maybe it's Chet Atkins.
I was just asking because it's a serious question and don't say it's a matter of taste because it's not. If I asked you who's better Jimi or Via and you said Via then of course I would hunt you down and chop your fingers off never to touch a giutar again
Via is so much better than Satriani. Like the man said I can't imagine Zappa asking Satch to play with him he's just not clever enough.
Mountain lions found me!
I was just asking because it's a serious question and don't say it's a matter of taste because it's not. If I asked you who's better Jimi or Via and you said Via then of course I would hunt you down and chop your fingers off never to touch a giutar again
Via is so much better than Satriani. Like the man said I can't imagine Zappa asking Satch to play with him he's just not clever enough.
Mountain lions found me!
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clifchamb
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How about Eric Johnson? I saw Him with Vai And Satch at the G3 tour and the big jam in the end it was Eric who blew away both of those guys.
clif
clif
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Allan Holdsworth, period.
Speeddemon
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James Argo said:They're different beast. The point I like Via is different with the point I Satriana. But as jet-rocker said... these dudes don't move my ass. I'd rather Marty Fradiman.
LMAO!!!!
(I guess that Molly character still doesn't get it...)
Hey Molly, what about Eddie Van Helium and Ingwy Melmstein?
BTW, I think Satch has some better melodic phrasings, whereas Vai is searching for the boundaries of what you can do with a guitar. I respect them for their skill and ambition, but I don't like their playing. Gimme guitar players with balls and soul in their playing (Gilmour, Slash, Santana, Sambora, Knopfler, Vaughan...)
Aaron Cheney
Favorite Chord: C 6/9
We should come up with a rating system that incorporates the five main aspects of guitar coolness, and rank each player according to it. Then we would know exactly where each player sat in the heirarchy of guitar-dom, and there would be no dissent. I hereby take it upon myself to create the rating system and begin the rankings. There shall be no appeals.
EVH is the best improviser of all time. His lead playing isn't harmonically complex, as it's mostly blues scales and atonal geometric fretboard patterns. His genius is in the way he puts notes together rythmically. His phrasing is brilliant. His early tone was a benchmark for everything that came after. He helped to usher in the era of pop songs with screaming guitar solos. He is a consumate tinker-er, and some of his best experimental moments include: distorted piano riffs (The Cradle Will Rock), miniature guitars (Little Guitars), volume knob manipulation (Cathedral, Somebody Call Me A Doctor). He popularized an enitrely new technique: two-hand tapping.
Here are the categories (out of a possible 10):
EVH
Tone: 9
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 10
Theory: 5
Innovation: 8
Moving on...
Joe Satriani is the counterpoint to EVH in many ways: while his phrasing is not as interesting, his melodic and harmonic choices are brilliant. His tone is more diverse the EVH's, but lacks the singular coolness. His guitar work is very accessable, but not necesarily ground-breaking.
Tone: 6
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 10
Innovation: 5
Moving on...
Steve Vai's playing is an amalgumation of experimentations with both effects processors and his guitar. Where Satriani's guitar soars, Vai's wiggles and warbles and snorts and squeels and spins. His use of theory is extensive. His tone is not as appealing as either EVH or Satriani. He constantly pushes the boundaries of traditional guitar playing, by mimicing the sound of human voices, animal voices, and unknown alien voices. His technique is beyond reproach, and his playing reflects his personality.
Tone: 2
Technique: 10
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 10
Innovation: 7
Eric Johnson's "violin-tone" is beyond reproach. His extensive use of vintage guitars, pedals and assorted of amps is well-documented. His technique is likewise beyond reproach. His phrasing is predictable and not as appealing as EVH or Vai. His use of theory is likewise more limited than other players.
Tone: 10
Technique: 10
Phrasing: 3
Theory: 5
Innovation: 5
Please remember: All results are final, and there are no appeals.
Thank-you.
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
EVH is the best improviser of all time. His lead playing isn't harmonically complex, as it's mostly blues scales and atonal geometric fretboard patterns. His genius is in the way he puts notes together rythmically. His phrasing is brilliant. His early tone was a benchmark for everything that came after. He helped to usher in the era of pop songs with screaming guitar solos. He is a consumate tinker-er, and some of his best experimental moments include: distorted piano riffs (The Cradle Will Rock), miniature guitars (Little Guitars), volume knob manipulation (Cathedral, Somebody Call Me A Doctor). He popularized an enitrely new technique: two-hand tapping.
Here are the categories (out of a possible 10):
EVH
Tone: 9
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 10
Theory: 5
Innovation: 8
Moving on...
Joe Satriani is the counterpoint to EVH in many ways: while his phrasing is not as interesting, his melodic and harmonic choices are brilliant. His tone is more diverse the EVH's, but lacks the singular coolness. His guitar work is very accessable, but not necesarily ground-breaking.
Tone: 6
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 10
Innovation: 5
Moving on...
Steve Vai's playing is an amalgumation of experimentations with both effects processors and his guitar. Where Satriani's guitar soars, Vai's wiggles and warbles and snorts and squeels and spins. His use of theory is extensive. His tone is not as appealing as either EVH or Satriani. He constantly pushes the boundaries of traditional guitar playing, by mimicing the sound of human voices, animal voices, and unknown alien voices. His technique is beyond reproach, and his playing reflects his personality.
Tone: 2
Technique: 10
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 10
Innovation: 7
Eric Johnson's "violin-tone" is beyond reproach. His extensive use of vintage guitars, pedals and assorted of amps is well-documented. His technique is likewise beyond reproach. His phrasing is predictable and not as appealing as EVH or Vai. His use of theory is likewise more limited than other players.
Tone: 10
Technique: 10
Phrasing: 3
Theory: 5
Innovation: 5
Please remember: All results are final, and there are no appeals.
Thank-you.
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
Speeddemon
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yo..uhm... Aaron? Who made you King of "Deciding Who Rules and Who Sucks"-country? 
2 Handed tapping wasn't entirely new when Eddie Van Halen used it in 1978 ("Eruption"). I believe several Spanish classical and Flamenco-players used it in the 40's and 50's already. If I recall correctly, Al DiMeola used it on one of his albums (before '78).
BTW, here's my take on Slash:
His tone has a certain raw quality, while it sings too. Kind of remniscent of Gilmour and infused with a little bit of Angus Young. Also, his technique is quite similar to these 2; lots of pentatonic and blues scales which are 'enhanced' with Eastern flavours (Harmonic Minor scales). Slash technique isn't flawless in the purest sense, he makes a lot of runs and notes 'dirty', by bending notes a little over or below the 'correct' pitch. His phrasing got better by the years (if one would compare "Appetite For Destruction" with "Use your Illusion Pt. 1"), but his trademark remains "ballsiness/raw power with a gentle touch"
Slash:
Tone: 8
Technique: 7
Phrasing: 8
Theory: 6
Innovation: 6
2 Handed tapping wasn't entirely new when Eddie Van Halen used it in 1978 ("Eruption"). I believe several Spanish classical and Flamenco-players used it in the 40's and 50's already. If I recall correctly, Al DiMeola used it on one of his albums (before '78).
BTW, here's my take on Slash:
His tone has a certain raw quality, while it sings too. Kind of remniscent of Gilmour and infused with a little bit of Angus Young. Also, his technique is quite similar to these 2; lots of pentatonic and blues scales which are 'enhanced' with Eastern flavours (Harmonic Minor scales). Slash technique isn't flawless in the purest sense, he makes a lot of runs and notes 'dirty', by bending notes a little over or below the 'correct' pitch. His phrasing got better by the years (if one would compare "Appetite For Destruction" with "Use your Illusion Pt. 1"), but his trademark remains "ballsiness/raw power with a gentle touch"
Slash:
Tone: 8
Technique: 7
Phrasing: 8
Theory: 6
Innovation: 6
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jet-rocker
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Slash
Balls: 10
Satriani
Balls: 0
The only measure that counts.
-Jett
Balls: 10
Satriani
Balls: 0
The only measure that counts.
-Jett
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
Speeddemon said:
If my memory serves me correctly, Nicolo Paganini was tapping with two hands. The next person to publically display this technique was one of the guitars players in early enacarnations of Genesis.
I like too many different tones to be able to put any of them in 1-10 scale. I like EJ's tone, but only in the context of his playing or style. Tone is part of the individuals personality. One of my Favorite tones comes from Tony Fredianelli but his playing is too Yngwieish. I think versatility should be considered. I like Slash's tone, some of his solo's but he doesn't satisfy the shred fix. Paul Gilbert is also a really good player, some of his tones are cool.
c7sus is too folky and shouldn't be in this discussion. Go smoke some bluegrass!
SRV?
Blah blah blah!
SoMm
Aaron Cheney
Favorite Chord: C 6/9
What's all this?!
I said no appeals.
I guess I just naturally assumed everyone would accept my word as final and leave it at that. Frankly, I'm a little hurt.
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
I said no appeals.
I guess I just naturally assumed everyone would accept my word as final and leave it at that. Frankly, I'm a little hurt.
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
Speeddemon
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I think we should not forget George Launch ( ) from Dokken and
Kurk Hammit from Metallica....
But I think Hamster relies too much on his wah since "Justice". He had some nice soli on "Master" and "Lightning" though.
Randy Rhodes combines 'balls' and 'technique' as well. Kind of like a mix of Van Helium and Melmstein.
) from Dokken andKurk Hammit from Metallica....
But I think Hamster relies too much on his wah since "Justice". He had some nice soli on "Master" and "Lightning" though.
Randy Rhodes combines 'balls' and 'technique' as well. Kind of like a mix of Van Helium and Melmstein.
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clifchamb
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c7sus said:
why?
clif
6gun
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veye's ability to change the landscape of rock guitar- 1
satcriano's ability to change the landscape of rock guitar- 5
van helium's ability to change the landscape of rock guitar- 10
satcriano's ability to change the landscape of rock guitar- 5
van helium's ability to change the landscape of rock guitar- 10
Sky Blue Lou
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If the criterion was "Solos nobody else can play" the winner would be Frank Zappa. Boy I miss him.
lou
lou
Speeddemon
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AMEN! But let's not forget Jimi Hendrix (he MADE the landscape), Richie Blackmore (he put trees and elves on the landscape) and Randy Rhoads (he layered the landscape with fine grass, palmtrees, sunny beaches and beer and pizza!).6gun said:
when I read 'Satch' I can't help but to think of two words: Crotch and Scratch....
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KaBudokan
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Sky Blue Lou said:
Without a doubt, Zappa's one of my all-time favorite guitar players. I "outgrew" Vai and Satch, but FZ's guitar wanking is wonderful.
"Watermelon in Easter Hay" from Joe's Garage may be my favorite guitar solo of all time.
carlosguardia
New member
Let's see...
Randy Rhoads
Tone: 7
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 7
Innovation: 5
Richie Kotzen
Tone: 6
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 6
Innovation: 2
Adrian Smith
Tone: 8
Technique: 7
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 5
Innovation: 5
Jason Becker
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 7
Innovation: 7
Jennifer Batten
Tone: 7
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 8
Innovation: 3
Steve Morse
Tone: 8
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 4
Innovation: 3
Vinnie Moore
Tone: 8
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 8
Theory: 8
Innovation: 2
Steve Vai
Tone: 6
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 8
Innovation: 7
Joe Satriani
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 6
Innovation: 5
Eddie Van Halen
Tone: 9
Technique: 10
Phrasing: 10
Theory: 5
Innovation: 10
Yngwie Malmsteen
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 9
Innovation: 6
Paul Gilbert
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 5
Innovation: 2
John Petrucci
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 8
Innovation: 4
Eric Clapton
Tone: 7
Technique: 6
Phrasing: 8
Theory: 6
Innovation: 4
Jeff Beck
Tone: 8
Technique: 6
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 5
Innovation: 5
ON THE OTHER HAND
Slash
Tone: 3
Technique: 1
Phrasing: 2
Theory: -3
Innovation: 1
CC Deville
Tone: 2
Technique: 3
Phrasing: 2
Theory: 3
Innovation: 1
Mick Mars
Tone: 3
Technique: 2
Phrasing: 1
Theory: 2
Innovation: 1
Kurt Cobain
Tone: 4
Technique: 1
Phrasing: 4
Theory: 2
Innovation: 5
Carlos
Randy Rhoads
Tone: 7
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 7
Innovation: 5
Richie Kotzen
Tone: 6
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 6
Innovation: 2
Adrian Smith
Tone: 8
Technique: 7
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 5
Innovation: 5
Jason Becker
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 7
Innovation: 7
Jennifer Batten
Tone: 7
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 8
Innovation: 3
Steve Morse
Tone: 8
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 4
Innovation: 3
Vinnie Moore
Tone: 8
Technique: 8
Phrasing: 8
Theory: 8
Innovation: 2
Steve Vai
Tone: 6
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 8
Innovation: 7
Joe Satriani
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 6
Innovation: 5
Eddie Van Halen
Tone: 9
Technique: 10
Phrasing: 10
Theory: 5
Innovation: 10
Yngwie Malmsteen
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 9
Innovation: 6
Paul Gilbert
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 7
Theory: 5
Innovation: 2
John Petrucci
Tone: 8
Technique: 9
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 8
Innovation: 4
Eric Clapton
Tone: 7
Technique: 6
Phrasing: 8
Theory: 6
Innovation: 4
Jeff Beck
Tone: 8
Technique: 6
Phrasing: 9
Theory: 5
Innovation: 5
ON THE OTHER HAND
Slash
Tone: 3
Technique: 1
Phrasing: 2
Theory: -3
Innovation: 1
CC Deville
Tone: 2
Technique: 3
Phrasing: 2
Theory: 3
Innovation: 1
Mick Mars
Tone: 3
Technique: 2
Phrasing: 1
Theory: 2
Innovation: 1
Kurt Cobain
Tone: 4
Technique: 1
Phrasing: 4
Theory: 2
Innovation: 5
Carlos
6gun
New member
carlosguardia said:
dude, you scored coburn and cc seville over slush...?????????
maybe re-evaluate that one.
K
KaBudokan
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c7sus said:
I'm definitely with you. But, I do have to say, that Jeff Beck is probably the best guitarist I've seen live. He made me cry (literally), and the only other player who ever did that was Jerry. (The difference is that I wasn't tripping my face off when I saw Jeff Beck. lol In fact, I was totally sober.
)
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sheppard
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trower is better than both of them put together!Toki987 said:Dang slow down, I`m still trying to decipher Robin Trower!!