Routing

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Ok, so I think I know what im going to do here. Im going to run my mixer into the M-Audio Delta 44. I will have to pan my mics from the mixer in order to record 4 seperate tracks. I will be recording 3 vocalist. If I put the headphones in the mixer they would hear mono sound right? Not what I want. Can I plug in headphones into the Delta 44 and they hear stereo? And why do I still want ot use the mixer? Pre-amps, Phantom power and to save money.
 
The panning trick will only get you two separate tracks (left will be one track and right will be the other track). The delta44 doesn't have a headphone jack, so no cant just hook a pair of headphone to the Delta44.
 
what mixer are you using? this will make determining your routing a little easier:)
 
He has a Behringer 1204

I think he can do it, looking a block diagram of that mixer, http://www.behringer.de/EN/downloads/pdf/1204_P0555_V_YY.pdf


providing he is NOT going to use it for FOH and recording.

Mic 1 to channel 1
Aux2/FX gain all the way down, Aux1 to control AUX1 out to interface input 1.
This is prefader

Mic 2 to channel 2
Aux1 gain all the way down, use Aux2/FX to controll Aux2 out to interface input 2.
this is postfader. so you may need to pratice with levels, Plus as i mentioned this is will not work for live/recording.

Mic 3 to channel 3
Aux1 gain And AUX2/FX gain all the way down, mute/3-4 pressed in, panned hard LEFT should send to AUX3 out, postfader

Mic 4 to channel 4
Aux1 gain And AUX2/FX gain all the way down, mute/3-4 pressed in, panned hard RIGHT should send to AUX4 out, postfader.


OK did i read that right
 
He has a Behringer 1204

I think he can do it, looking a block diagram of that mixer, http://www.behringer.de/EN/downloads/pdf/1204_P0555_V_YY.pdf


providing he is NOT going to use it for FOH and recording.

Mic 1 to channel 1
Aux2/FX gain all the way down, Aux1 to control AUX1 out to interface input 1.
This is prefader

Mic 2 to channel 2
Aux1 gain all the way down, use Aux2/FX to controll Aux2 out to interface input 2.
this is postfader. so you may need to pratice with levels, Plus as i mentioned this is will not work for live/recording.

Mic 3 to channel 3
Aux1 gain And AUX2/FX gain all the way down, mute/3-4 pressed in, panned hard LEFT should send to AUX3 out, postfader

Mic 4 to channel 4
Aux1 gain And AUX2/FX gain all the way down, mute/3-4 pressed in, panned hard RIGHT should send to AUX4 out, postfader.


OK did i read that right

seems mostly good... im not too familiar with the way behri boards route.... why is routing through aux2 not suitable for live/recording in that routing?

and correct me if I'm wrong but this would be how I would route according to my ability to read that:

mic 1 to channel 1 hard L, main L out to in 1 on the delta (needs xlr adapter)

mic 2 to channel 2 hard R, main R out to in 2 on the delta (needs xlr adapter)

mic 3 to channel 3 hard L mute3/4 pressed, alt out L 3 to in 3 on delta

mic 4 to channel 4 hard R mute3/4 pressed, alt out R 4 to in 4 on delta

then I would sent out 1 + 2 of the delta to the tape input of the behri, On the phones control source I would select only tape, and ensure tape to main is not selected. Then enable software monitoring in the DAW, which should allow him to create a custom stereo image for the monitor.

right?
 
Sorry didn't mean just channel 2 not good for Live/Recording.

Just that if he was panning, and routing, some prefader some postfader, that you could not do a Live mix and record 4 tracks at the same time.

Now i am going to look at the drawing again, thanks DuddyGuy for keeping me up late, LOL
 
ah yes now I understand... sorry to be keeping you up.

Your routing would definitely work, from what I can see those mute bottoms are basically a switch between the two bus's (main & alt)

So hard panning 2 on the main and 2 on the alt, should result in all 4 channels being sent independently and post fader.

And then this gives you the ability to feed back into the control with the tape in from the daw giving the ability to pan the software monitor as desired.

Seemed like a cleaner option to me.. but those behri boards seem to throw me loops every once in a while and I have to admit my schem reading ability is not all that great:)
 
Just look again

Nice call DuddyGuy.

I seem to get stuck thinking Main outs are allwas for monitors, not thinking outside the box, routing FOH through something other then Main Outs.

Thanks for the leason

evadbowl

You getting all of this,
 
heh yeah it's hard to change routing thoughts away from how you normally do it yourself.... i think it took me about a week to be able to do even basic routing set up once i finally got a big board my thought process was to stuck in only having a single stereo bus:)

evadbowl,

let us know how this works
 
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yeah, totally missed the "Alt 3-4" outputs.

You should be able to get 4 discrete signals out.
 
thats funny I had to go on the behri site and look at that too.. I dont know why that pdf doesnt show an overview of the rear
 
Thanks everyone for all the info!! I want to try this out but I have one last question for you guys. So, all three vocalist will be plugged into the mixer through head phones, will they be able to hear themselves in STEREO? Since all mics will be panned Im thinking MONO? Am I right or wrong? If this is the case with the M-Audio 44, would I want to get the Presonus Firebox instead?
Matter of a fact, I would need 4 headphone outputs because I forgot myself. Do they even make a headphone adapter for 4 outputs? Thanks again for all the info.
 
as far has headphone monitoring, if you plug headphone right into the mixer with the mics set up like outlined above, I think you'll have the first channel singer in the left ear, the second channel singer in the right ear, and I don't *think* you'll hear anything out of the 3 and 4 channels- looking again- if you engage the Alt3-4 to control room button, its looks like you'll get them in the headphones, but again they'll be panned left & right....

So... I think you could run a pair of cable from the 1&2 outputs on the Delta44 and connect them to the tape/cd in and that should monitor what you hear in the software. Or, you could get a separate headphone amp and run a pair of outputs from the Delta44 into the headphone amp.

And... THIS is the big weakness in using a small format mixer with a separate soundcard for recording. Routing is MUCH more complicated than it should be. Pretty much the only mixers I would recommend for recording are the Soundcraft M series (there might be 1 Mackie model that has this too). They are the only mixer I've come across under a grand that have direct outs on each mic channel. I run an M8 into a Delta1010lt- that lets me record each mic channel on a separate track AND use the mixer as my PA mixer. I don't know why they don't make more mixers with direct outputs? It seems like such a useful and easy to implement thing!
 
as far has headphone monitoring, if you plug headphone right into the mixer with the mics set up like outlined above, I think you'll have the first channel singer in the left ear, the second channel singer in the right ear, and I don't *think* you'll hear anything out of the 3 and 4 channels- looking again- if you engage the Alt3-4 to control room button, its looks like you'll get them in the headphones, but again they'll be panned left & right....

So... I think you could run a pair of cable from the 1&2 outputs on the Delta44 and connect them to the tape/cd in and that should monitor what you hear in the software. Or, you could get a separate headphone amp and run a pair of outputs from the Delta44 into the headphone amp.

And... THIS is the big weakness in using a small format mixer with a separate soundcard for recording. Routing is MUCH more complicated than it should be. Pretty much the only mixers I would recommend for recording are the Soundcraft M series (there might be 1 Mackie model that has this too). They are the only mixer I've come across under a grand that have direct outs on each mic channel. I run an M8 into a Delta1010lt- that lets me record each mic channel on a separate track AND use the mixer as my PA mixer. I don't know why they don't make more mixers with direct outputs? It seems like such a useful and easy to implement thing!

Thanks Jeff D... You are so right with the routing, way too complicated for me. Looking back, I wish I would have done things differently, like not buying the mixer. But, I have it now and im trying to make it work. Thanks for all the advice and I will keep you guys posted.
 
evadbowl, yeah connect your 1+2 delta outputs, to the tape in of the mixer, then ensure that tape is the only option being sent to the control room and that tape is not being sent to main. Enable software monitoring in your daw, and that will allow you to create whatever sort of stereo mix you want for the singers to hear in the headphones.
 
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