Rode troubles

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Hello everyone, this is my first time posting on these boards although I've been lurking for a while. I'm a complete newbie when it comes to home recording so bear with me please. (I did a search on the subject btw; but since I'm new to the field of condensor mics I didn't find any topics addressing this particular subject)

I've been recording in the past using a Shure SM58 through a Yamaha MG12/4 mixer and then into Cakewalk. (vocals, male high baritone to tenor). I decided to take the plunge and purchase a new Rode NT1000 microphone assuming it would be a step in the right direction after using the Shure, but here's the rub...

It sounds terrible. Well not terrible but I can't avoid getting a kind of 'metallic' sound, like the recording is being made from the inside of a trash can or soup can. I've heard about the 'warmth' the NT1000 brought to recording but it sounds worse than the SM58 I was using.

I understand that that mic placement and room make a difference but even after leaving the stand in one place and simply switching the mics I still can only get a decent sound from the SM58. I've tried singing in close and then backing off and I can't seem get around the 'metallic' sound of it, I've added the built in Cakewalk Fxreverb and although it colors the sound, it doesn't really seem to change the initial texture of it. I've never used a condenser mic before so I thought I'd see if I'm using it incorrectly or if this is the way condenser mics sound. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Is there a trick to getting the warm sound I've heard about?

Thanks!

~ Paul
 
Are you singing into the correct side of it?

Sounds stupid, but you never know.


Pete
 
Something else I just thought of...

Is the sound coming through your speakers that way or the recording or both?

You might have a volume/feedback problem going on.

Pete
 
I think you are singing into the wrong end, pushing the gain and not getting clean signal
 
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I just noticed the gold dot on the other end, I didn't even notice it before.

I'm going to turn it around and trying singing into the other side, if it works... well, I win the prize for most idiotic problem ever. :eek:

oh, and for the other replies...

I believe I'm using a balanced cable (it sounds fine when using the sm58), and I'm just using my computer speakers for my end result monitoring. (Like I said, new to all this)

Thanks for such quick replies, very awesome to have you all as a resource...
 
Yeah, well if it hadn't been a case of being backward, I would have recommended you check the phase of the microphone. In most cases of using an outboard preamp you have the option of pushing a button to reverse the phase of the wiring. I've found the sound to be what you've described with it being out of phase. Man what a difference it makes when you push that magic button. Suddenly it's rich and clean. Oh well....glad you problem was so easy to solve. That is one of several wondeful mics Rode produces.
 
battleminnow said:
Are you singing into the correct side of it?

Sounds stupid, but you never know.


Pete
That's what I thought of too.
 
problem fixed

Yep, That must have been it. I just tried another run at it actually using the correct side (rocket science I know) and lo and behold!!! It sounds a thousand times better. Now I feel like a complete tool, but at least I didn't send the mic back!

It still sounds just a little on the bright side but I added just a touch of reverb and it seemed to warm it up a bit. I may try mucking around with ParaEq but I don't know anything about it so I'm off to do a search on it. I'm not sure if that's the way to go or if messing around with the regular EQ would help.

Thanks again everyone! It would not have even occured to me that I could be using the wrong side since they both look pretty much the same.
 
Thanks Big Ken,

When you say roll off a bit on the 5k is that in the Para EQ or Graphic EQ? I see a 4k under my graphic....
 
Singsong said:
Thanks Big Ken,

When you say roll off a bit on the 5k is that in the Para EQ or Graphic EQ? I see a 4k under my graphic....
graphic eq just uses preset sliders with a preset curve for an eq, paramtric eq is basicly just an eq that give you more control, it lets you tune in the frequency (in this case 5k) and also lets you set Q (the bandwith of the frequencies being lowered) so might as well use the parametric eq if you want to be more precise and set it to 5k lower it alittle and move the bandwith around till you like it
 
Graphics are good for live, para much better for studio. That 5k is just a starting point, you may want to roll off anywhere up to 10 or 11
 
Everyone, at one time or another, has attempted to sing into the wrong side of a mic. :D :D :D

Good luck from here on out.

Pete
 
Singsong said:
Yep, That must have been it. I just tried another run at it actually using the correct side (rocket science I know) and lo and behold!!! It sounds a thousand times better.

Funny, FUNNY stuff!! I give you huge credit for even admitting this ! Hey live and learn!
 
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Funny, FUNNY stuff!! I give you huge credit for even admitting this ! Hey live and learn!

^^ I know, but hey both sides looked almost identical except for the little tiny (almost invisible really) gold dot on one side. And besides, better to be embarressed here than to waltz into a music store and have them smack me upside the head.

In regards to the Para EQ suggestions, thanks for the feedback. I've never used it and don't really understand the whole high pass/low pass thing. I'm guessing I 'dial' in the frequency I want to change and then lower the quality/cut/gain options. I'll read up on it.

Thanks!
 
"HMMM huuuhhhhhhhh, I reckon it ain't got no gas in it....... HMMM huuuhhhhh"
- Slingblade
 
It was, at least, plugged in.

and that's enough on this subject!
 
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