Ride size???

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Currently I am using a 22" Paiste 2000 Power Ride, which I'm getting tired of, because its too easy to lose control of it. The ping is also very bright and that's not working for me anymore.

What size ride does everyone here use?

I'm thinking about going back to a 20" 2002 or Signature. Anyone happy with 20", or do you feel 22" is still about right? Definately DONE with power ride!! :mad:
 
I am currently using a Sabian 20" Pro Rock Ride.
What sort of music do you play? or is it used generally all-round?
If you go to the Sabian Catalog you can go listen to all the different rides (by clicking performance), to determine which one is for you. I personally like Sabian over Zildjian and Paiste, but thats just personally preference.

Also you can go look at the genre setups and it tells you which cymbals are typically used
 
Phil,

I would suggest you check out the Signature 20" Full Ride. I don't know if they make it in a 22" size or not - all i've seen have been 20" models, but man it is SWEEET!

Like you, I'm using an older 22" Power Ride (mine is a Rude from 1981), and when I go for the switch- because I'm simply sick of the Rude after all these years, I'm going to be looking at the Signature Full Ride, as well as some of the Dark models. I need something that is good for Hard Rock, but is a really musical sounding ride - so for me, when I heard that crystal ping of the 20" Full Ride - that was it man.

To me, the 22" just has too much "meat"/midrange to it to be delicate sounding for light ride patterns.



Tim
 
i like the 20"

i prefer 20's in general. the 22" is too much plate for my taste. too big a piece of metal. right now i'm using a paiste rude (early 80's) ride/crash. as an alternate i also have a paiste 404 (80's) ride that gives me the bonham/van halen crash ride sound without using such brute force. boy, that 404 is a great cymbal. i likely see myself heading forward to the paiste traditional series.
 
Ok! Starting to sound like 20" might be do-able! The last 20" ride I had was an old Paiste 505. I didn't really like the ride sound, but the bell was great. After that I went to a Sabian 21" dry ride. That one had control, but no projection.

Tim, I like the idea of the Full Ride. I play hard rock as well as a lot of other styles. I want to keep it versatile. Something darker would work for Jazz sounds as well. Was also thinking about a straight 2002 ride. That might be too bright.
 
i use a 20'' sabian thin which is fabulous. perfect mix of ping/ring and even serves as a nice crash.
 
The Paiste Dark Energy 22" Rides are really nice. Kinda low on projection, but very jazzy, and the sound is beautiful. I use a 21" Dry Heavy Ride (signature), and for lioghter playing I use my SOund Formula 20" SIlk Crash/Ride (replaced my old cracked 2000 series 20" power crash and serves as a sweet light ride).

Also, stick with Paiste. I was talking to my drum teacher, and we agreed that if you wanna go with good rides, go with either the Paiste signatures or the old ZIldjians. But hey, its up to you.
 
I use a Zildjian 20" Medium Ride. I have been using this Cymbal for almost 20 years and love it. Before that I used a Zildjian 24" Ping Ride for many years which was also a nice cymbal, but way too much for the music I am playing now (blues and classic rock).
 
Does Paiste make a 2000, and a 2002?
Because I used to have a 22" Paiste ride and I thought it said 2002 in red on it but I could have been mistaken and it was actually a 2000.
Anyway, I would have probably bought a signature if I could have standed spending that much money but I don't know if I would have been more happy. The 2000 (or 2002) It had a lot of mid-range brilliance and a very pronounced sound, sort of a happy medium between a RUDE and the Signatures. I loved that cymbal and I had the 18" crash from the same series. It cut through my loud band very well, but if you are wanting something a little more delicate and sensitive then go with the Signature, and if you like getting a really good wash/sustain going on underneath the 'ping' then the 22" will give you more of that than a 20" will. My playing was much fuller and louder with my paiste than with any 20' ride I had ever played. Its thick enough to get a good ping going from the surface of the cymbal but get that good wash underneath from the shear size of it. Stick with Paiste though.
 
I had a lot of bad experiences with Paiste. I used them quite a bit in the 80's and broke every one that I owned. I finally wised up and went back to Zildjian's and have never broke another cymbal since. I have been playing on Zildjian's for 30 years on and off and really love their products.
 
A Zildjian A 21" Sweet ride is a good choice and is very versatile. I have a Zildjian 24" Medium ride that i like. 20" Zildjian A Custom rides are cool too but they're more of a crash cymbal. Sometimes, you can hit 4 different cymbals of the same exact model and they'll all sound different. The best thing to do is just to go to a store and hit abunch of them and then choose.
 
goodbyebluesky said:
Does Paiste make a 2000, and a 2002?
Because I used to have a 22" Paiste ride and I thought it said 2002 in red on it but I could have been mistaken and it was actually a 2000.
Anyway, I would have probably bought a signature if I could have standed spending that much money but I don't know if I would have been more happy. The 2000 (or 2002) It had a lot of mid-range brilliance and a very pronounced sound, sort of a happy medium between a RUDE and the Signatures. I loved that cymbal and I had the 18" crash from the same series. It cut through my loud band very well, but if you are wanting something a little more delicate and sensitive then go with the Signature, and if you like getting a really good wash/sustain going on underneath the 'ping' then the 22" will give you more of that than a 20" will. My playing was much fuller and louder with my paiste than with any 20' ride I had ever played. Its thick enough to get a good ping going from the surface of the cymbal but get that good wash underneath from the shear size of it. Stick with Paiste though.
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Yes, Paiste made a 2000 line and the lettering was in a purple/blue color. They were good cymbals...basically it was a 2002 with less hammering - so it sold for a little less. Actually, the best Paiste China's I ever heard were from the 2000 line; the 2000 line was also the line that was colored and sold as the "Colorsound 5" series.


Tim
 
goodbyebluesky said:
Does Paiste make a 2000, and a 2002?
Because I used to have a 22" Paiste ride and I thought it said 2002 in red on it but I could have been mistaken and it was actually a 2000.
Anyway, I would have probably bought a signature if I could have standed spending that much money but I don't know if I would have been more happy. The 2000 (or 2002) It had a lot of mid-range brilliance and a very pronounced sound, sort of a happy medium between a RUDE and the Signatures. I loved that cymbal and I had the 18" crash from the same series. It cut through my loud band very well, but if you are wanting something a little more delicate and sensitive then go with the Signature, and if you like getting a really good wash/sustain going on underneath the 'ping' then the 22" will give you more of that than a 20" will. My playing was much fuller and louder with my paiste than with any 20' ride I had ever played. Its thick enough to get a good ping going from the surface of the cymbal but get that good wash underneath from the shear size of it. Stick with Paiste though.
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Yes, in the mid 80's (1986, I believe) Paiste came out with new lines that were the 1000 (to replace the 505 series - green label), 2000 and 3000 (different versions of the 2002 series). The 2000's had a blue label and were somewhere between the 2002 and 505 series. The 3000 series was meant to replace the 2002 series. It didn't really catch on, and a few years later, the signature series appeared. It was a new alloy known as the "Paiste Sound Formula Alloy" and was closer to Zildjian's formulation. The 505, 1000, 2000, 2002, and 3000 are all the same alloy as the 2002 series, just different hammering and lathing combinations.
 
Damn, Tim!! We posted that at almost the exact same time!

Why are you still up??
 
i have a really old 20" zildjian K heavy ride and i think it sounds great. it fits in with most music styles. you can get a few different sounds from it and i really like to hit the bell alot it sounds really good and gives a little more percussive? sound. i havent played a 22" ride but im thinking about maybe atleast get ride with a bigger bell. I have 22" wuhan china and i really like that.
 
VWYF11 said:
I use a 20" K Custom Ride. I love the sound of this ride.
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+1 on the 20" K Custom. What a BEAUTIFUL ride cymbal.


the ping, though, can get lost in metal and really aggressive music.....but beyond that, it's perfect. one of these days i'm gonna pick up a Sabian Paragon 22" to fill that "old A ping ride" sound......but i'm in no hurry at all.


cheers,
wade
 
PhilGood said:
Damn, Tim!! We posted that at almost the exact same time!

Why are you still up??
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Because I'm a Vampire. :p

I didn't see your post until this morning. Seriously, for some reason, my natural tendency is to be nocturnal. I don't know why, but my own personal thinking is because I was born at 4:00 PM, I think my "clock" is naturally adjusted to that cycle; or it could be because I take a product called "Monatomic Gold" or (look up "White Powder Gold" or go read this - it's faster than how I could describe it http://graal.co.uk/lostsecretslecture.html ) which causes your pineal gland to increase production of melatonin, and it causes your DNA to correct itself - permanently. (I know, useless info - but I tend to be into..."interesting" if not outright kooky things.)


Remember when Paiste re-upped the 2002 line? Well that's where the 3000 series went. They just folded them into the 2002's and relabeled them - that's how the 2002's began getting "Power" Crashes after 20+ years of existing as a line.


Which label was Green? Do you remember? It was either the 505 or 808 series - I had a pair of those hi-hats for years, and they recorded great... they had a good chunky sound to them. Then they had two different Rude series - 1000's and 3000's, and they came up with two colorsound series for the 1000's and 3000's, and did away with the actual Colorsound 5 series.

I remember one line - I think it was the 404 line, had brown lettering.

I should E-mail Paiste and ask them for a color scheme of their previous cymbal labeling.




Tim
 
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Tim Brown said:
Which label was Green? Do you remember? It was either the 505 or 808 series - I had a pair of those hi-hats for years, and they recorded great... they had a good chunky sound to them. Then they had two different Rude series - 1000's and 3000's, and they came up with two colorsound series for the 1000's and 3000's, and did away with the actyual Colorsound 5 series.

I remember one line - I think it was the 404 line, had brown lettering.

I should E-mail Paiste and ask them for a colorscheme of their previous cymbal labeling.




Tim
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The 505 had green lettering. I know because I still have 2 18" crashes, which if you have ever heard them, sound very special! Spectacular in fact!

The 404 had the brown, I think. That email could be fun.

Phil
 
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