Ride size???

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OK Tim and Phil, since u two obviously know alot about Paiste... can you tell me why they retired the sound formula series? I have a silk crash/ride from the sound formula series (the weird lettering one, not the round logo), and it is one of the best cymbals I have ever heard. Why did they stop making them?
 
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drummerdude666 said:
This is the third time I'm trying to post in this thread.. and my posts are not appearing.

Testing testing 1 2 3.

Sure they are! They're right there! Don't you see them?? :D :D :D
 
tilinmyowngrave said:
OK Tim and Phil, since u two obviously know alot about Paiste... can you tell me why they retired the sound formula series? I have a silk crash/ride from the sound formula series (the weird lettering one, not the round logo), and it is one of the best cymbals I have ever heard. Why did they stop making them?

Don't really know! The sound formula series was used to introduce the sound formula alloy. The signatures are the same alloy, so are technically the same family.
 
PhilGood said:
Ok! Starting to sound like 20" might be do-able! The last 20" ride I had was an old Paiste 505. I didn't really like the ride sound, but the bell was great. After that I went to a Sabian 21" dry ride. That one had control, but no projection.

Tim, I like the idea of the Full Ride. I play hard rock as well as a lot of other styles. I want to keep it versatile. Something darker would work for Jazz sounds as well. Was also thinking about a straight 2002 ride. That might be too bright.

I play a Sabian 20" HHX Power Ride and I absolutely adore this cymbal! It's the best ride I've ever played because it's so versatile for rock, metal, even jazz because it has some great low tones, and crashes a bit with a solid smack of your stick-arm. The sticking is solid and it's projection is fantastic (The new HHX's feature is projection and they won some drum award). The bell is huge and unlathed. Definitely check it out, you won't be disappointed.







I sound like a Sabian spokesperson, but I'm just a worthless nobody.
 
tilinmyowngrave said:
OK Tim and Phil, since u two obviously know alot about Paiste... can you tell me why they retired the sound formula series? I have a silk crash/ride from the sound formula series (the weird lettering one, not the round logo), and it is one of the best cymbals I have ever heard. Why did they stop making them?


Ahh man, for some guys it's a certain brand of drums, for me - my "drum fetish" is Paiste. Hell, I should go to work for them. I definitely know a lot about their cymbals. LOL! When i was a kid, the big line to own was the 602 line, and man - they were the Signature Series of the 60's and 70's, simply incredible sounding cymbals, but part of that was also the reason they were discontinued - they were extremely thin cymbals. Unfortunately, they were easy to break - we're talking not much thinner than perhaps a few sheets of paper at the edges! They were designed for unamplified music, and when Hard Rock began to come out, guys were breaking them like crazy - so they earned Paiste a reputation of being "easy to break". I always tell guys - if you are breaking a lot of cymbals, then there is either something wrong with the cymbal placement, or your technique.


The Sound Formula's just weren't selling. Sound Formula was a part of the Signature line - they were made from the same patented "Signature metal formula", but people saw them as being "inferior" to the Signature line because they were priced a little less (Less hammering was used, so they were sold at a lower price), which is a shame because I have several Sound Formula's and they are perhaps my favorite Crashes. I have a 20" Sound Formula Full Crash that sounds like I stole it from John Bonham, it has a great crash and a nice long low spread to it that is really sweet. My Bass player was a trained percussionist from the time he was a young child, and I hit that cymbal the first time we practiced (after I bought it) and he told I needed to buy a whole boatload of them - and he's super critical about how everything sounds.

Everyone has "that Crash" cymbal that they hear in their mind that is their perfect, ultimate crash - for me, that cymbal is this 20" Sound Formula Full Crash. Luckily, I found several more of them, so I snapped them up as well "just in case"! :D
Now, some people just aren't into them - and that's great, because that means more for me! :p :p

I'm sure Paiste will be rolling some of these models into the Signature line, and to be honest they may have already done so - just as they did with the 3000 line - they simply rolled the 3000 series models into the 2002 series.




Tim
 
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RecordingMaster said:
I play a Sabian 20" HHX Power Ride and I absolutely adore this cymbal! It's the best ride I've ever played because it's so versatile for rock, metal, even jazz because it has some great low tones, and crashes a bit with a solid smack of your stick-arm. The sticking is solid and it's projection is fantastic (The new HHX's feature is projection and they won some drum award). The bell is huge and unlathed. Definitely check it out, you won't be disappointed.







I sound like a Sabian spokesperson, but I'm just a worthless nobody.

Is that the one that has the 8" Bell or whatever it is? I rmember they had released one that Vinnie Paul from Pantera was using and man that thing was like a Fire alarm! That sucker would cut through anything. LOL :D



Tim
 
Tim Brown said:
Ahh man, for some guys it's a certain brand of drums, for me - my "drum fetish" is Paiste. Hell, I should go to work for them. I definitely know a lot about their cymbals. LOL! When i was a kid, the big line to own was the 602 line, and man - they were the Signature Series of the 60's and 70's, simply incredible sounding cymbals, but part of that was also the reason they were discontinued - they were extremely thin cymbals. Unfortunately, they were easy to break - we're talking not much thinner than perhaps a few sheets of paper at the edges! They were designed for unamplified music, and when Hard Rock began to come out, guys were breaking them like crazy - so they earned Paiste a reputation of being "easy to break". I always tell guys - if you are breaking a lot of cymbals, then there is either something wrong with the cymbal placement, or your technique.


The Sou8nd Formula's just weren't selling. Sound Formula was a part of the Signature line - they were made from the same pateneted "Signature metal formula", but people saw them as being "inferior" to the Signature line because they were priced a little less (Less hammering was used, so they were sold at a lower price), which is a shame because I have several Sound Formula's and they are perhaps my favorite Crashes. I have a 20" Sound Formula Full Crash that sounds like I stole it from John Bonham, it has a great crash and a nice long low spread to it that is really sweet. My Bass player was a trained percussionist from the time he was a young child, and I hit that cymbal the first time we practiced after I bought it and he tiold I needed to buy a whole boatload of them - and he's super critical about how everything sounds.

Everyone has "that Crash" cymbal that they hear in their mind that is their perfect, ultimate crash - for me, that cymbal is this 20" Sound Formula Full Crash. Luckily, I found several more of them, so I snapped them up as well "just in case"! :D
Now, some people jst aren't into them - and that's great, because that means more for me! :p :p

I'm sure Paiste will be rolling some of these models into the Signature line, and to be honest they may have already done so - just as they did with the 3000 line - they simply rolled the 3000 series models into the 2002 series.




Tim

The SIlk Crash/Ride is probably my sound for the perfect crash... and ride also, its amazing... unfortunately, now I know that if this cracks, its gonna take me forever to find it on eBay... The only time I've ever seen it was at my drum teacher's cymbal room (which is where I bought it)... I feel like crap now :mad: . O well... If you find it, you have to try it, the thing is beautiful, makes for an excellent all purpose ride and a great power crash (replaced my cracked 2000 series power crash and serves as a great jazz ride... killed 2 birds with one stone)... and yea Tim, lol I agree, Paiste is amazing.
 
RecordingMaster said:
I sound like a Sabian spokesperson, but I'm just a worthless nobody.

Nobody is EVER worthless!!!


...and I will check out the HHX!
 
I just looked! 55 posts and already rep power 4!

Yeah! Worthless! ..HA!
 
I play a HH 20" raw dry from Sabian. I loved the unlathed rides, very dark.
 
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