Ride cymbal problem

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so i never even noticed this until i combined it with a quieter mix.

It has a wobbley clang drone that is Eb and it messes with other stuff, like a keyboard sound, nasty intervals and stuff.

if i edit the wave sample, it only gets worse, messing with the wobble and changing the oscillations.
 
junplugged said:
so i never even noticed this until i combined it with a quieter mix.

It has a wobbley clang drone that is Eb and it messes with other stuff, like a keyboard sound, nasty intervals and stuff.

if i edit the wave sample, it only gets worse, messing with the wobble and changing the oscillations.
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Is this in your OHs or in your Ride cymbal close mic?
I would try a hi pas filter, maybe up to 2k or even more.
Try with Close mic and with OHs.

Eck
 
it was on the ride mic. for now, i just killed all the mids, which gave it an interesting sound and the ride was still there.

luckily the snare was a piccolo, so it survived and with a familiar sound but I can't place it yet

what i'll have to do is filter it before the drum sub mix, it was a quick thing where i heard it too late.
 
Do you have a good parametric eq plug-in? You might be able to notch out the annoying tone without totally killing the mids. Set a narrow band and boost until you find the culprit, then cut that same freq.
 
I tried to make it narrow, but the clang was kinda wide i used a 4-band eq plug-in and i had to use 2 bands!

but it was learning, i don't treasure that track, just wanna avoid that crap in the future.

i was using a mxl-991 6" from top between bell and edge, pointed away from kit.

as an exercize i think i will go back, and eq that track only and see what i come up with. i didn't even use the OH, b/c i couldn't...phantom was off! :)
 
try a deesser or a multiband compressor. compress the annoying frequency out of the way.

i tend to roll the lows off on the ride mic (when present), starting at about 300 or so. i just really want the ping and wash. the OHs get the "body" of the cymbal sound, if that makes any sense.


cheers,
wade
 
Compress it like you are de-essing vocals. Just dial in the annoying frequency on the sidechain.
 
I think these are all bandaid solutions - they best solution would be to record a different ride if his doesn't fit with the song.
 
Why do you even need a ride cymbal mic?

That's about one of the damn dumbest things I've ever heard.

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chessrock said:
Why do you even need a ride cymbal mic?

That's about one of the damn dumbest things I've ever heard.

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lol
Youve obviously never used one before or never had good results from it.
The more mics, the more control at mix down. Its that simple.

Yeah maybe alot of the time the Ride mic isnt needed, but there may be a point in a song where you want to boost the ride cymbal without boosting the OHs.
Same applies for crash/splash/China/hats etc.

Eck
 
chessrock said:
Why do you even need a ride cymbal mic?
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ever listened to Rush? the way those intricate patterns on the ride cymbal cut through are directly due to a mic being on the ride (in addition to the great drummer, drums, room, etc). if you want to be able to exactly place the ride in the stereo image and bring it up when the song calls for it, you need a ride mic.

why do you need a close mic on a snare? it's loud enough that you don't NEED one, right? same idea.


cheers,
wade
 
mrface2112 said:
why do you need a close mic on a snare? it's loud enough that you don't NEED one, right?
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That's exactly right. Only on certain mixes is a snare mic even needed.

IMHO, most folks who use more than a stereo pair and a kick mic for drums (with maybe the occasional snare mic) is doing little more than masturbating. There are exceptions, but those are top-shelf situations only, IMHO.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
IMHO, most folks who use more than a stereo pair and a kick mic for drums (with maybe the occasional snare mic) is doing little more than masturbating. There are exceptions, but those are top-shelf situations only, IMHO.
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And that's about the second damn dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Look, I've got the perfect ride cymbal mic for ya. It's called an overhead mic. Move it in a little closer if you want more ride. Or just angle the fucking floor tom mic around 90-degrees or so.

If you're having trouble picking up the ride cymbal, then I want your problem. If you just want a more "in-your-face" ride cymbal, and need perfect ride cymbal impact and placement within the stereo spectrum ... then you're a little weird.

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chessrock said:
And that's about the second damn dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Look, I've got the perfect ride cymbal mic for ya. It's called an overhead mic. Move it in a little closer if you want more ride. Or just angle the fucking floor tom mic around 90-degrees or so.

If you're having trouble picking up the ride cymbal, then I want your problem. If you just want a more "in-your-face" ride cymbal, and need perfect ride cymbal impact and placement within the stereo spectrum ... then you're a little weird.

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Its a shame you cant see the obvious benefits of using a ride mic.
It just wouldn't sound right to ride one of the OHs to change the volume of the ride at certain points in a mix.

Eck
 
ecktronic said:
Its a shame you cant see the obvious benefits of using a ride mic.
It just wouldn't sound right to ride one of the OHs to change the volume of the ride at certain points in a mix.
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Alright, alright alright.

If the ride cymbal is such a major component to your artistic creation, then yea, I suppose I can see the obvious benefits.

I still think it's a little weird that the ride cymbal has suddenly burst in to our collective musical conscience to such a degree that it would warrant it's own dedicated mic (and it's own thread for that matter) ... but I suppose I've heard of stranger things happening.

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Whats-amtta-for-you Chessrock??? I use 3 mics on my ride cymbal. One above, one to capture that nice overbearing tone from underneath, and 1 room ride mic.

No. I lied. Actually it's more like this:

chessrock said:
If you're having trouble picking up the ride cymbal, then I want your problem. If you just want a more "in-your-face" ride cymbal, and need perfect ride cymbal impact and placement within the stereo spectrum ... then you're a little weird.
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I could actually see more benefit to a thread about controlling the ride, and keep it from washing out the rest of the kit.
 
i'll try another track w/ another ride mic, maybe that omni berry 8000 mic on a presonus tube pre and brighten up that high end i'm looking for and stick the mic up under the bell
 
omtayslick said:
Whats-amtta-for-you Chessrock??? I use 3 mics on my ride cymbal. One above, one to capture that nice overbearing tone from underneath, and 1 room ride mic.
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Hell yea. Can never have too much of a good thing.

I tend to prefer overdubbing my ride cymbal. That way, you can just focus on that all-important ride track, without all the other distractions. You can run it through your gold-channel (use separate reverb and compression settings, etc.), and even use your ride track as a separate stem for mastering.

Imagining the possibilities gives me a brass woody.

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HI. I got that problem once in my oh´s with wobbling cymbals sounded ***-BALLS. I had put the mics in a position too much in the same height as the cumballs, and I put the mics higher and angled em down. I got cymbals again. Maybe thats not at all your scenario, but throwing in multibandcomps or kill the midst of your track sounds like a bad idea to me.
 
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